A female reader writes:
"I got married to a guy 4 months back. He had his bachelor party in May. I came to know a month back that they had gone to a strip bar and he had a lap dance.
"When I asked him a day after his bachelors party, he said they just did bar hopping, didn't go to a strip bar.... but when his friend said that they went to strip bar, he confessed that they did, and that he got a lap dance.
"He did apologize to me that he lied, and did say sorry hundred times. On my insistence, he took me to a strip bar to see what it looks like. This issue was discussed before we started dating that he would never go to a strip bar.
"I raised this point, and he said that it was just a bachelor party thing and would never do it again.
"But the issue is: My trust in him is broken...I keep visualizing what that stripper might have done with him. I cant stop thinking. What am I suppose to do? Am I wrong anywhere?"
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First off, we're delighted by your use of the term "strip bar," and we hope that this construction gains popularity. We'll start the campaign now.
For you--and any woman in this scenario--5 things you should know about a guy who got a lap dance in a strip bar:
1) Lap dances are (almost always) harmless.
For most guys, lap dances are a frustrating-as-hell experience. It's a tease, nothing more. With your industry-standard lap dance, even if you're single, there's zero chance of kissing the stripper, fooling around with the stripper, or sleeping with the stripper. ZERO. Yes, guys whoop and holler and fist-bump and act like asses, but the actual experience, more often that not, fails to satisfy. (To clarify: is it possible that some strippers will do much, much more for gobs of extra cash? Sure. But this goes well outside the scope of a traditional lap dance, and this is the extreme minority.) In my course as an, ah, "researcher" of these matters, I've received 50+ lap dances in my life. Number of lap dances where I kissed a stripper? Zero. Number of lap dances where I hooked up with the stripper? Zero. There's nothing--nothing--beyond a make-believe quickie dance.
2) Strippers care about his wad of cash, not his wad.
We can't blame you. When you close your eyes and visualize this nightmare scenario, you're imagining this sultry vixen staring at your man, hungrily, lustily, desiring him and arousing him. Nope. It's an act. The stripper has one mission: get paid. (And who can fault her?) So when she twirls on the pole, she scans the room for the best marks. She didn't find your husband hot. She didn't want him. She wasn't trying to seduce him or give you competition. If she saw him in the parking lot, she wouldn't even make eye contact. For her, this was business--the lap dance is the stripper's TPS report.
3) Fact: Right or wrong, for the bulk of mainstream bachelor parties, a lap dance is par for the course.
Regardless of the merits of the argument, this is most Dude Logic: at the movies, you buy popcorn; at football games, you get beers; at a bachelor party, you get a lap dance. It just is. In his mind, therefore, he wasn't breaking any sacred trust--he was following the mainstream. Now, granted, you had an understanding that you didn't like strip bars, but you said this issue was discussed "before [you] started dating," and could plausibly exclude bachelor parties. He was wrong. No question. But in terms of "degrees of wrongness," this is much, much, much more understandable than if he actually cheated on you. Which, by any conventional standard, he didn't.
4) It was wrong for him to lie. Hold him accountable.
Like most political scandals, the cover-up is worse than the crime. The lap dance itself, while ugly and unfortunate, is not, in our book, a federal offense. Lying about it? Tougher to defend. And the fact that he lied about it, frankly, undercuts his argument that "everybody's doing it!" Let's face it: if he really, reeeeaaaly thought you were cool with it, he would have told you. Fail. And it's a fair question to ask him... if he would lie about this, what else would he lie about? That said...
5) Put the lie--and the dance--in perspective.
The lie he told was the kind of lie an 8-year-old tells his parents about whether he finished his homework. He knows he should have finished his vocabulary quiz, but he doesn't think it's that big a deal, and he doesn't want to face the consequences. It's childish. But it's not criminal.
So. Let's summarize. He thought it wasn't that big a deal, but he still knew you'd be pissed, so he told what (in his mind) was a white lie. You have every reason to be irritated. You have the moral high ground. Here's the catch... you start to cede the moral high ground if you have a disproportionate reaction, if you explode, if you never ever let this go. He screwed up, sure. But he didn't do something SO UNBELIEVABLY AWFUL that warrants months and months of wrath. Given his "hundreds" of apologies, he sounds appropriately contrite.
Talk to him about the importance of trust. Tell him that he let you down, that in the future, if anything like this ever happens again, you'd want to know the truth, and you'd want to hear it from him, not his drunken buddy.
And after that? Move on. Put this behind you. Exercise clemency. And enjoy your marriage.
Addendum: you went to a strip bar to "see what it was like," hoping that would make you feel better? Hmmmm... That's a pretty good plan... if you also think that when you have indigestion, it makes sense to scarf down three helpings of refried beans, hoping to "see what it's like" and maybe that would make you feel better.
For more on this issue: Bachelor Party Ethics: How Far is Too Far?







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I agree that people in committed relationships can have harmless crushes. Just last week my fiance and I were talking about different people we've had crushes on in the many years we have been together. But don't you think wiggly nakedidity crosses the 'harmless' line? Maybe that's the point...we all draw our lines in the sand in different places. I think ultimately it is the responsibility for all parties in a relationship to understand that they may not always see eye to eye and try to figure out how to navigate sensitive subjects in a way where everyone is satisfied (preferably before an incident arises and lies are told). But, shit, after several beers I too may succomb and decide that my Dad is right, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission...
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Answering Jeff
Ummm... No, that's not what happens at most of the 'ladies clubs' I know of. Mind you, it COULD happen, just like it could happen at a strip club, but the 'no touchie' rule still applies to girls with male strippers. And in my experience of both kinds of clubs, the bouncers in a male strip club are faster to enforce the no touch rule, scary as that may sound. :)
As for my thoughts on the original question, I'd be more upset about being lied to in the first place. Yes, it is the 'no mommy, I didn't take the cookie' variety, but it's a lie all the same. If I had asked my fiance to not go to a strip club, and he went anyway, I'd rather hear 'you don't want to know' than a lie. But in the end, yep, say you're upset, say why you're upset, and let it slide.
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Also, the article claims that strippers arent willing to blow, sleep with, etc the customers - you just didnt offer enough money. Over the years, I've had several friends who were strippers and everything has a price.
As far as the actual issue of the lapdance and the lie, the fact that you discussed it beforehand makes it pretty inexcusable. Regardless of the "male perspective" of strip clubs, he already knew her perspective. The lying only adds to it. Good luck getting over that hurdle - sounds like an awesome start to marriage!
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Anyway, love your site! Just thought I'd add my two cents.
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It shouldn't be a game. Relationships are about communication, compromise, and trust.
Stripper
In the same boat
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We paint one face and disregard the other
Declaring ‘our life’ liberated compared to our mother.
We pluck and preen and act obscene
Taking it where it’s never been.
We disregard because of fashion
Denying the life giving muscle in favour of passion.
But in the end to please a man and maintain ones sanity
You learn to accept and embrace their fragile vanity?
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The truth: lap dances
NOT OK with this married woman~
Trying to start a new life....
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what did you do about this? Are you still married? Do you know this for a fact about strip clubs in California? How utterly gross.
Is it a big deal?
My question is when do you decide enough is enough? Can I trust him when he says he won't do these things anymore, he has never thought about it from my perspective until now and that he will spend the rest of his life trying to make it up to me? I don't want to be the one people say "What a fool....how much more clear can it be?"
With the kids and family involved, i just don't know what to do, and if I am just making too big of a deal over it?
-Broken Hearted Mom
Mmmmm I'm Curious
By the way... where can I find bars for women (MIA) ? Shoots if men can get off when they feel the need, why cant we?
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I drank to numb the pain from being treated like a piece of meat. I felt like no man was interested in ME. The alcohol turned into pills and coke from "being in the industry" WHICH BY THE WAY I DID WHILE AT WORK in the bathroom. They only numbed the pain temporarily. I got “used to” having money come easy, and soon started to DEPEND on easy money. I stayed at hotels on the beach where rent and buying expensive lingerie that I NEEDED for work outfits, and EXPENSIVE bikinis to tan for work caused me to be a slave to stripping.
Then I needed money to get out of hotels and into an apt, and needed a car, and MET A CLIENT AFTER WORK and took money for sex. He paid me $300. The whole time I was numb and just tuned it out while I was used. This was 15 yrs ago.
STRIPPERS LEARN to manipulate the opposite sex for money and THINGS. I was taken shopping, and I was provided a penthouse apt from a NICE older client who was lonely for company, BUT I never had sex with him, although I know he wanted to. He came in to town for work on ocassion, and was NOT married. MANY MARRIED MEN FREQUENTLY go to strip clubs. I KNOW this by experience.
I drank to numb the pain from being treated like a piece of meat. I felt like no man was interested in ME. The alcohol turned into pills and coke from "being in the industry" WHICH BY THE WAY I DID WHILE AT WORK in the bathroom.
THERE is SO MUCH competition in a strip club. The MORE you show the MORE table dances and lap dances you get. The dancers get commission for drinks and spill them on the carpet, in plants and ice glasses to get rid of them to order more. THIS HAPPENS IN ALL CLUBS.
SOME women have REGULARS. Some women give out there number to prostitute, and some EVEN ARE INTERESTED in YOUR boyfriend OR HUSBAND. AFFAIRS DO HAPPEN. I met Two of my x boyfriends in a strip club where I worked. Do you think that strippers are NEVER attracted to guys they dance for? It ONLY makes it easier. Don't be naieve.
Fot the 6 yrs I stripped I emotionally was damaging myself when I thought I was ok, but comfortably numb. It doesn't work that way. I NEEDED to be appreciated for ME, NOT my body. I was WORTH so much more. I started to lose faith and hope in men. I would have been gay, BUT NEVER crossed that line, cause I KNEW I may NOT come back due to all the pain men caused me.
I got out of it finally, and met a guy one day at a phone booth who was answering a ERcall on his BEEP from his BOSS. He was a bottom boat cleaner(diver) . His BOSS was a Christian. They paid me to pour gas into a generator for 3 days, and neither guy made sexual comments or hit on me.
The story goes on, and I became a Christian. NOT a religious one, BUT one who has a RELATIONSHIP with GOD/Jesus/Holy Spirit. Yes I’m saved, but NOT a fanatic…and GOD DOES speak to people. You have to LEARN to listen and hear his small still voice. Ask and HE WILL reveal himself to you.
My life is FAR from perfect now. After 2 marriages to men who were prideful, and each hurt me deeply through lies and deceit, I met a guy who treats me PRECIOUS. We do have our arguments, and are both in need of counseling, and DELIVERANCE of emotional AND spiritual problems. My bf is HIGHLY visual and thinks watching girls and porn is NOT harmful. Although I am visual too, I HAVE LEARNED to “bounce” my eyes AWAY from temptation.
I AM NOT alright. I’m broken inside. I have been DAMAGED from stripping, and I have MAJOR TRUST ISSUES with my bf. When he sees HOT women dressed in provacative clothes while we are out together, or sees sexually oriented scenes while we watch movies or tv, I SHUT MY SLEF OFF FROM HIM. I can not let him hug, me hold my hand or touch me. I feel VIOLATED. It wares off after several hours, but we live in South Florida, and MANY girls walk around here dressed this way, and EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL on tv is a woman flaunting herself, as well in movies –sex sells.
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Point #1 is dead wrong
Just to meet a friend for a drink....really?
My husband is in the Greater Toronto Area. I am living elsewhere due to a death in our family and business reasons. Without going into details, for the past year, we have been living separately while trying to maintain a 20+ year committed relationship (kids and all) He just confessed (after I asked because of a sickening gut feeling) that he went to a strip club once to meet his friend for a beer. I researched the club and apparently it is full nude with 'extras'. I love him deeply and we have a healthy sex life when we are together. I guess I am decent looking as he thinks I am, I'm not skinny but not over weight and I do get hit on regularly. I consider his attendance at a place like this as cheating and he knows how I feel. I am not a prude by any means but I treat him as I would like to be treated. I have never been jealous before but let me also add that my husband is hot and I was told by bar patrons (people I just met at his local watering hole) that women throw themselves at him regularly. I really didn't need to hear that and it was three times by three different, apparently, well meaning people that wanted to let me know that he did not reciprocate.
My feeling is that happily married men have no business in strip clubs.
Any thoughts?
This really upsets me!
STRIPPERS SUCK
Sick
no forgiveness
Trust issues...
I know my husband watches porn and talks about wanting to see strippers and has been to one lately, which is how I ended up on this site. I still feel a little insecure but in the end I know it's me my husband loves and brings home the real money too lol
But ladies if you can't accept it, then your better off alone, because the fact is most men do enjoy nights out like that and porn. A few nights out is ok, but if my husband made it a habit, it would be an issue, and believe me I would deal with it very quickly.
Like many things in life there is no right or wrong answer here, it's all about trust and how much you are willing to accept into your relationship.
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I am not ok with it. I never have been and never will be. This all came to light because my boyfriend of 5 years attended a bachelor party at a strip bar a couple months ago. I felt sick to my stomach that he was going to be in an environment like that (ie the comments regarding the vagina's inches from the man's face...true. I've been to the same club he went to...when I was single and in college, and even then of course the girls are fully nude and fully in your face) I sucked it up and did my best to keep the 'it's a bachelor party, it's no big deal' mindset. The next day I asked him about it and he played it off really casually saying the weren't there long and they bought a few dances for the groom. End of story.
A couple months later I came accross some information that he along with some of the other guys in relationships had all taken part in private room lap dances. I cannot describe to you how hurt I was...not only hurt but disgusted by him. I couldn't sleep near him (I took the couch and gave him the couch the following day). We had blow-out fights that almost ended us. This may seem extreme but the thought of another woman grinding her ass on his penis and rubbing her boobs in his face made me literally sick to my stomach. Like a lot of guys it sounds, he apologized for not being forthcoming with the truth but never apologized for doing it because he felt he did nothing wrong "its just what guys do". We have since called truce because I realized I had no choice but to move on or break up with him. My trust was completely broken. The thought that he would make a decision like that knowing how I felt about him being there in the first place was just heartbreaking.
I'm tired of this 'pack mentality' guys have when they go out together...especially on bachelor nights. My boyfriend said he didnt buy himself a dance...someone else bought it for him lol. OF course they did...you all bought dances for each other thinking that would make it better. I cannot speak for all women of course, but I would NEVER do anything to make him feel like that (although I truly believe there isn't anything I could do that would compare). He says he wouldn't care if I went to a male stripclub. #1: I think that's bull, #2 I have no desire to do that and #3 yah, I'm sure...he'd probably use that as his excuse to go to another strip bar!
As I say, "we've" moved on (It is going to take me a long time to get over the thought). My concern is next summer's bachelor parties. I think I made it pretty clear in our fights and discussions that I am no longer ok with him going to strip bars at all. I have no idea what's to come as the two getting married next year were also two of the guys in relationships that got caught along with my boyfriend. It sounds like most of my girlfriends reacted in similar ways so perhaps we'll get lucky and they will choose to do something that doesn't include naked women. Am I allowed to say that if he goes to a strip bar, I am finished with this relationship?? I don't want someone who is more concerned with 'being one of the guys and going along with the pack' as opposed to being a man, someone I want to spend my life with. Is this wrong?
For the record...and to any guy who might be reading this. My boyfriend is very lucky...there is nothing I wouldn't do for him if you know what I mean, I'm just so torn up inside thinking about him in an intimate situation with another woman. I do not care that all she cares about it the money...I care that her business is touching his business.
Thanks for allowing me the rant. Therapy session :)
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I've worked as a stripper and I have never had sex nor given bj's or any of that.
If that place it classy, they fire girls for even giving out their email and phone #.
The term "Strip Club" can mean anything from "Dance Club" to "Hooker Bar" and is fairly vague.
The girls who are gorgeous, and in theory, "competition" will in reality, be impossible, because they make enough money straight dancing and will land a job at a high-end classy club.
The raunchy places, like Detroit or South Side Chicago, will have ugly strippers, or poor clientele, and disregard laws so they need to do extra to make money.
I'll admit, I got drunk a handful of times, got a little sloppy, and let a guy kiss me, only to pull away, but I have never made out with anyone there nor have I ever had a sexual relationship with anyone from there, even if I hung out after work to talk to someone, for example a distraught client going through a divorce.
If a guy was single, and I liked him enough, I might date him from there after some coffee and breakfast and months of time. But after much caution, because the good classy clubs fire you if you are seen after work with anyone from the club.
Stripper's (that dancing ones) are very well informed on the in's and out's of a man's behavior, and lies. So really, it depends on the club.
The hookers, I mean, "strippers" that would do extra are probably ugly and of no competition to the lady in reality. The term stripper is inclusive of anyone from hooker to professional dancer.
It's a broad spectrum. This story sounds trivial and petty, but strip clubs are secretive so you can't blames someone for raising questions.
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Great comments/suggest and sad experiences
I'm a male and my wife of 16 years is going to see male strippers over "deer widow weekend" next weekend (but, I "can't afford" to go deer hunting last 2years tho). I have never been to a bar, let alone a strip club without my wife since I've been married. She's been to the bars 3 times for "girls night out". She's been to Wendover to gamble 2 times, while I have never gone without her since being married.
I don't have a problem when she goes with her married friends. I have told her that I didn't want her to go to the bar or wendover with her young, single friend. She goes anyway? Now she wants to go the the strip club with this single friend knowing I don't want her to go. (this freind is a very bad influence on my wife!)
I don't think she'll do any touching in the club, but get alcohol invilved and your just putting yourself in a bad situation where something may happen. The inconsideration and the disrespect of my
feeling are the worst part. How long do I let her do whatever she wants and disregaurd my wishes?
I like the suggestion someone here said - agree before hand to let the spouse go - if no agreement - no go - it's only common courtesy of your life's partner right?
I do not think guys should be going to strip clubs unless it's a 2-way street - come on guys, this is basic respect - right? I think many of you *should be* upset and/or at least come to an agreement before hand. If he can't/won't stop - leave him! I have 2 kids and am ready to leave my wife if she won't respect my wishes. I believe my kids will be better off in the long run.
I am not looking forward to dating again, but do not want to be lonely - been there done that!
Thanks for reading,
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Sad Bride
When my husband and were engaged and discussing our bachelor/bachelorette parties, I just flat out said "no touching" and that I didn't want to hear about the night. That was it. Flash forward to 5 months before the bachelor party, he and his friends decided to take a trip to Vegas for their birthdays, which I was already feeling put out by seeing as it was not a mile stone birthday year and we were paying for the wedding ourselves, the money really could have been better used. While in Vegas they did go to a strip club.... and he got a lap dance, this information wasn't given until after he was back, and the lap dance wasn't confessed until my prying. I was ok-ish about him going to the club... but the lap dance, I was hurt..... especially since we had already discussed what we both were and were not ok with, and he decided to do it anyway, and not at his bachelor party.He did the same dumb guy moves of "oh i was drunk, i don't remember too much", "you said it was ok for my bachelor party" "my buddy bought it for me, and i bought his", "she sat on me, that wasn't me doing the touching" etc...I was so disappointed that he decided to turn us into that horrible cliche, it was so not like him to be this douche bag. What made it worse is the fact that he has almost zero sex drive (which is something we struggle with), but then goes and does that. It was a total slap in the face, made me feel terrible about myself that I wasn't enough for him, that maybe this wasn't the right man for me, etc...And please do not get me wrong, I am not some gross slob, I take care of myself and get hit on quite a bit, nor am I a prude or boring in the sack.
As selfish as this sounds, I was outright no longer ok with him going to a strip club for the bachelor party as my trust had already been betrayed that way (that and the fact that some of the guys were pushing for a trip to Mexico or a private party), I really did feel as if that was his bachelor party and it wouldn't be fair to me, especially considering our underlying issues.Our parties were on the same night, 2 weeks before the wedding, it was one of the worst night of my life. I was upset and doing my best to not think about it and trying to keep on a happy face. My party itself was just so pathetic, thrown together in less than a week and only because I had to remind my bridesmaids about it... people were stiffing their dinner bills at the restaurant... we had a gift table set up, and not one gift was given... even had to buy most of my own drinks all night. We just went around from bar to bar. While all this was going on, other girls were getting phone calls that some of their guys wanted to leave but they were "stuck" at the strip club... which I doubt. This wasn't really helping my out of sight out of mind approach. Not long after a few of the guys (who know my husband because of me) showed up at my party, which I wasn't too pleased with but tried to make the best out of it. One of them started talking about the strip club and the strippers in front of me, when I was already visibly upset. I asked him to stop while choking back tears, asked him to have some respect, more than once... he then acted indignant and angry...... it got ugly and escalated quickly. There was screaming and things being thrown..... my party was then over.At that point all I wanted/needed was to talk to my fiancee, who I couldn't get a hold of. Eventually I talked to him, he was drunk out of his mind and I couldn't understand anything he said. Hours went by and I was to upset to hang out in the hotel we had for the night and wanted to go home, which was only 5 minutes down the street.
My fiancee was home..... in the office...... at the desk.... naked.... with porn on the computer.... passed out while jacking off, junk in hand and everything. I made some smart ass note about it and and hung it around his neck with string, left him there and went to bed. He woke up not long after and WW3 ensued. So ugly and awful. I was, and still am disgusted with him. So hurt, and so disrespected. The whole mess was just so ugly it brought out all of our issues. I wanted out..... he begged and begged. I was so upset that I lost 8 pounds in a week, my couture wedding dress was falling off of me and had to be pinned to my bra. This has been and continues to be quite the scandal among our social circle. I cried and cried. Eventually I caved in and agreed to go forward.He offered up to never go to a stip club again, etc, etc... and I hate that. I hate that it's made me "that girl"... all because I stood up for myself. We have now been married for 8 months... and I am still hurt and still struggle with it. We have arguments regularly about this with screaming and crying. I hate this so much, he ruined everything, and I hope I will be proven wrong, but I have this sinking feeling it won't last that much longer.
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To Sad Bride
All and all the truth is important. I think you are completely overreacting. Guys goto strip clubs for batchlor parties. Some touching is always involved, thats just the way it is. This has been the tradition for a long long time. It's what all guys expect, and what they feel they should get before they make that final commitment for the rest of their life. It's supposed to be a day to just let out steam and the anxiety of getting married; which scares alot of guys in the first place. Nothing that bad realy goes on there. Guys don't compare their g/fs to strippers. Guys want to be with their g/f and the stripper is just there to blow off steam and have fun.
What really sucks is that your party wasn't very good. Your girlfriends owe you a new party or something.
By holding onto this and acting like your fiance did some horrible thing, you are ruining your own marriage. Let it go and keep it in perspective.
Women can be cruel
The Culture of Ugly
Home Management
Anyways.... I went to danceing after husband left me with house paynent and 2 kids. And for the record I was considered quite a catch, gave a awesom blow job and was trying to TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS at home but my man preferred to jack off to mags. At 36 years old I had never even been to a strip club. My man had laughed when I told him I could dress and tease like the mag girls so I went to work at strip club to rub laugh in his face. Only took a month to learn that the " better " the first dance was the more likely the guy would buy 2, 3, or more dances in a row, which equates to less working the floor . Even though this was AFTER the lap dancing ban in my state and all the " no touching " rules.....it was clear thats not what the men wanted nor how I would make any serious money. Lap Dances included my nipples teazing their faces and lips, and on occasion in their mouth. Most often ending with one leg up high and my goodies only inches from their face, and a few peek a boos here and there. And yea, they touch, or try. Often was clear the guy had a chubby. And ladies.... alot of places got alot more going on then that. Just read the reveiws left by the guys after you serch a strip club.... But, Yea, no real sex. LOL !!! I worked part time days for two years, at over a dozen clubs.....Some considered classy gentlemens clubs..... What a joke. Their all the same. Working days I mostly seen maried men. We drank together and talked about their lifes and wifes between dances. They mostly said they loved their wifes, but needed more stimulation. And no.... Their wives did not know where they were. Anyways.....That was 13 years ago. I know what goes on.....and theres no way I want my man in them and definately not getting dances. And for the men that tell their wifes they think its OK but wont go.... just the fact that they think its OK for them to hang out, drink and get dances with a half naked women is a red flag to their level of commitment and loyalty. Ive read a few blogs on this subject and surprised to find that their actually are alot of men who agree that its a no no. Thumbs up to them.... I want one. !!!! : )
And for the ladies that say its OK.... Man.... How sad to be in that relationship.
Curious to see how much of a thrashing and name calling Im gonna get for writing this one.....From all veiw points.
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In any case, I have a strange point to make...take it or leave it. As a dancer, I spend hours and hours in a shift beating myself up. I have knee problems from a hard granite stage and a nasty back sprain from pole tricks. I don't want you to feel sorry for me, just understand that the job isn't easy. Like the article said, I'm just there to make money, just like anyone in any job. Ever. It doesn't make me a greedy, money-hungry ho bag.
I can guarantee to you that I am not remotely attracted to your boyfriend/fiancé/husband simply BECAUSE he's chosen to frequent the place I work. I may be a dancer, but the only benefits I have at work aside from getting paid are unlimited smoke breaks, having a beer or two on the clock, and not having to deal with the necessity of owning a gym membership. I have never been sexually excited at work, my job is to dance and act like I care (I sound jaded right?).
My boyfriend knows what I do for work, and I'm fine with him going out with his buddies, but if he got a lapdance from anyone, I'd probably have a conniption. I'm actually pretty reserved about my sexuality. Being naked isn't necessarily a sexual thing for me...looking at naked women is, more often than not, a sexual thing for men. It's my job to exploit that, but it doesn't mean that I respect a supposedly monogamous man who feels as though he needs to get lapdances to feel satisfied in life.
Your wife will give you tons and tons of sex if you treat her like a million bucks, all the time, no exceptions, no getting lazy. I know that's how I've always been. I'm no longer attracted to guys when they start to criticize unnecessarily and act "better" than me simply because of what I do for a living. That's an issue I've been dealing with lately, unfortunately. In fact, I have a college education and am working on putting a masters under my belt. I may be a dancer, but I'm intelligent and I'm certainly NOT some kind of dirty whore.
Sorry for all the points I'm trying to make, I just read the whole thread.
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Im in the first real committed relationship since my divorce 13 years ago, and unfortunately theses issues have resurfaced again. My man says he wont go.....but that he dosent see the harm in it. I dont think he knows how much Ive been thinking about his statement.....But I really have, It weighs heavy on my heart. So, here I am trying to decide how much of a red flag Im gonna take that as.
Oh Really? #HEARTBROKEN / BREAKER
I broke up with him because i cldn't stand imagining other girls' naked boobs and vaginas 1 millimeter away from his body, or even touching his body. Just thinking about it hurts, it disgusts me, it makes it hard for me to breathe.
I think it's super hard for me to get over it because i was so in LOVE with him.
I am no longer in love with him, I still love him alot, i miss him dearly, we are still friends.
I kind of feel bad that he was HONEST with me but still got dumped...He almost made ME feel like the HEARTBREAKER. It just breaks my heart that i could never imagine myself being happy with him again. So it would be pointless to stay together then or get back together now. Once TRUST is broken, its hard to get it back. I wish i cld get over it because he means so much to me, but i can't seem to get over it.
We were just dating though. I really don't know what I wld do in your situation...out of rage I would probly still leave him. At least you juuust got married...there are men out there who honestly don't go to those places....just have to be skilled at fishing them out...
To Sad Bride from another Sad Bride
Firstly, I am so, so sorry you had to go through what you have. Reading your story made me feel utterly bewildered as it is almost identical to my own story.
I never thought I would have reservations about strip clubs and lap dances, but my now husband had his bachelor's 2 nights before our wedding and had a lap dance.
We went ahead and got married, even though i felt CRUSHED and humiliated by the incident, not to mention furious and untrusting and betrayed.
I tried to get over it. I have read COUNTLESS blogs like this to try to put it behind me and i simply can't. What's worse is, while he apologised the day after, he seems completely nonplussed about it now, while it's tearing me up inside.
In addition, before he started dating me had a fling with a woman who happened to be a stripper. Now, how do you think that's supposed to make me feel?
I am a sexy woman, who tries very hard both with her appearance and in the bedroom, but in my heart I have major insecurities about my body and appearance as so many of us poor girls do.
I find this infidelity, which is to be honest how i view it, not as a slap in the face, but a tacit admission of disrespect for me, for my body, for our commitment to each other, for other women's bodies, for all the time and effort and money and JOY he sucked out of the wedding for me by doing this to me.
Quite frankly, Sad Bride, I want to punch him in his f%&*g smarmy cheating face. I do love him, but i am bitter and resentful of what he did. I actually have been having violent daydreams about smacking the groomsmen for not stopping it.
To compound things- on the bachelors morning we had had sex - really tender, intimate sex as the last time before we got married. But that clearly wasn't enough for him as he had to go and have some Easter Block girl's beaver in his face. It makes me SICK to my stomach.
Why do they do this, Sad Bride? I really wish i knew. I am trying so hard to forgive him and to get over this - im going to counselling tomorrow on my own to see if i can work through it with a professional.
If anyone ever tries to say to you, 'boys will be boys' - tell them you didn't marry a boy. You married what you hoped was a man. And most importantly - you and I are two smart young women, if it really didn't matter, why do we feel so hurt?
With love and respect and wishes for your heart to heal,
Sad Bride #2
you're wrong
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Why
scumbags
Kyle
They all seemed to sense and like that I was your typical "nice guy". So nothing nasty ever happened...NEVER. So this is what i think. If the dancers can sense that I am a "nice guy" you should be able to sense that your boyfriend/husband is a "nice guy" also. If he is, let him have some playful fun. It helps him put life into perspective. All boys want to know what goes on behind closed doors, but all boys will not break the bond of trust they have established with the girl they love.
But if you know you have a "bad boy" then you are the fool for thinking he will not cheat on you. If you don't know if he is a "bad boy" then just ask your girlfriends. Many of them have that 6th sense that you seem to lack.
The other thing I think is important is communication and the boundaries that you both set. No communication, no boundaries then skys the limit...good or bad boy. We can't read your minds. No one ever gave us your rule book to study. All people are different! So get the important work done...talk.
I had a long time girlfriend(7 years) that let me go ANYWHERE! She taught me a lot about trust and freedom in a relationship. I never cheated on her but by some definitions here I did because of lap dances. She went to a strip club with me once and had a great time. It was no big deal. She was confident, secure and knew we were just having fun.
My next girlfriend (3 years) couldn't stand the thought of me touching or even looking at another woman. Giving a restaurant order to a cute waitress was tricky! Yet she gave me a blow job under the table at a restaurant once. She was no prude and shocked me at times! All people are different and can handle different levels of threat to their ego.
So find a man that fits your level. Be a little flexible, life changes people. But don't be a whiny fool. Find a man with whom you can enjoy what life throws at you. Strip clubs and cute waitresses are not going to disappear. And neither will the little boy inside your man. Enjoy what excites him but make sure you know what kind of boy you have. And set some "realistic" boundaries. The energy they bring back from a fun night out should be enjoyed. Whether it is from an "occasional" strip club or from a ball game with the boys.
One last thing, you are going to get hurt in relationships. The pain you go thru will make you stronger, smarter and more self reliant. You will then be able to enjoy life more, knowing, that IF you get hurt again by a man you trust, you will survive and move on. So allow your man to roam a little and you will really see what he is made of. It is worth the risk if you are strong enough to find out if you got a good man.
Um, really?
So who cares if he or she goes to a strip club. Everyone knows what it means to cross the line. A regular lap dance is a little turn on and that's it. If you're sensitive to that, you should probably get over it. Some men go and some don't. The clientele at these places is either young thuggish people, jocks, or older businessmen, especially lots of Asian businessmen.
Regardless of what many women may believe, and with no offense implied, men like to look at women naked, besides their wife. Men have a really annoying chemical called testosterone right? Kind of like that annoying chemical estrogen. It causes you to cry for no reason, extra-sensitive and emotional, even out of control at times. Well testosterone causes you to want to dry hump the air and fight random people. Some have more than others. It can actually be a curse at times. Strip clubs can be an outlet for some. For others, it leads to cheating which was inevitable.
So whether you like it or not, some men will go. Some will cheat, as will some women. Don't make your relationship contentious by being paranoid and constantly probing. Strip clubs are harmless and most of the girls are just trying to make money to pay their bills. (Oh, and go to college of course lol) The best relationships I've seen are the ones where they never take each other for granted. Still trying new things and doing the things they did when the met. e.g. Oral sex! If you stop caring and stop doing things like that, expect your man to be sad and bored, seeking a little attention elsewhere. Saying that men need to grow up is just dismissive and silly. Blame falls on both sides.
To Both Sad Brides from another Sad Bride
When I confronted him, he just sat there like a deer in headlights, with no explanation whatsoever. I was so incredibly in love with him. I would've done anything in the world for this man. He had my complete and utterly loyalty. All this pain is compounded by the fact that he has some issues in the bedroom with sustaining an erection and very low sex drive. So what would drive him to go to strip club 2 weeks after marrying me? I'm 5'7, in shape, with 34d's and what others consider to be attractive. What else does he want? He says all he ever wants is me, and will never lie or betray me again. But with a 6 month separation once again in tow, all I can do is bare the pain in my chest and stomach.
If either of you ladies have had any success with therapy or some other method of restoring trust, please contact me (sadbride3@gmail.com).
Hoping you all have a Merry Christmas and cherish the time with your loved ones,
Sad Bride #3
To Both Sad Brides from another Sad Bride
surgeon
Listen lady, if your husband is good looking there is a very good chance that he made out with or even had sex with a stripper. It is a lot easier to do than you might think. If he has money to blow, an even better chance. Or if he gave her some meth, those panties came right off.
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just telling the truth.
Responsibility
In the other hand I know of professional dancers/strippers. They are there to sell their dances. It's like acting. Some legitimate clubs even have strict rules, and the maximum touching, is a hand or shoulder. Visible pleasure is what they are paying for. So, to those guys that are just doing the once in a hile guys night out, goofing around ect.... there is NO action. His eyes probably got the most action, but honestly what have we not seen?? Everything is on the net now a days, so let it go. It is important to establish a fine line with our partners on what we are allowed to individually do without hurting the other, a relationship is a partnership!!!! :-) ;-)
Sorry
SICK! And you are right!
I for one use to dance, sad but I did....long ago way before we were ever together! I followed the rules, but you still grind your body parts on the men to get what we want ($$) and they usually go for a few at a time. I never cared about the guy just the money. BUT what disturbs me the most is its YOUR GUY that cares. He is there to LUST over some other woman that is half naked and grinding all over him.
I'm sorry that is just wrong. So I have decided that if he goes and see and touches all THAT, I will go and strip for one night. He can feel the way I do, and I bet he will think twice!!!
Eye for an eye ladies.
Besides I think it's pretty pathetic that men have to go see that crap before they get married. Makes me want to never get married!
Open minds
$1,000 in lap dances
New Orleans will do anything for the right amount of cash
Cheetah's NYC
STRIP CLUB REALITIES
Dont fool yourself.
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Lap dances not as harmless in some places
I know most strip clubs around the country are probably harmless as far as not getting any kind of action, but don't think that's the case everywhere. I know there places that the girls keep their bottoms on (how PG is that!) I don't frequent these places much anymore but when I was single and wanted to get laid I knew the exact strip clubs to go to that I could get it in for between 200 - 300 bucks.
VIP Room
Ok, so assuming no extras went on....(i.e., hj, bj, or more), if two guys go to a strip club in nyc and spend $1,800 between the two of them, I'm assuming they're hanging out in the vip room where drinks and lap dances are typically more expensive ($100+ each per 1/2 hour or whatever) The guy with my husband stayed later than my husband and admitted to having 4-5 lap dances in the course of the night (one lap dance alone was $400), so that could rack up the charges pretty quickly I guess.
It's just frustrating not knowing what actually went on with my husband, as he was very drunk and can only remember bits and pieces. He said he had one lap dance, and then the guy (who puts thru charges) came in and asked him if he wanted more and he said yes....so I'd say that would be a total of two. He said the entire thing seemed like 10 minutes. He swears it was just a drunk lap dance....just a big tease....and I'm sure he doesn't even remember the stripper. I just can't get the picture out of my head of a naked girl grinding him and putting her boobs in his face. He is very trustworthy and loves me to death. Like I said previously, we've been to strip clubs together before, so he honestly didn't think I'd be mad for him going and getting a lap dance. In fact, he told me upfront he went to a strip club and I know he has been with his co-workes and buddies several times in our many years of marriage. He even had lap dances before, but maybe it was the bronzer on his clothes and hands that upsets me the most. It really was a non-issue before, in fact I used to find it a turn on :) On a side note, my husband looks like a boy scout.....he looks young and probably naive, very handsome and well dressed....put a few drinks in him and he's buying everyone at the bar a drink. Anyway.....I do believe that the person who was putting the charges through on my husband's cc may have overcharged him. After all, why wouldn't they? There's really no way of knowing how much you owe, especially when you're drunk. Unfortunately his drunken stupor and lapse of judgement prevented him from looking at the check before he signed it. He has requested copies of all the receipts, which they said they would provide, as we are disputing the charges since the same charges are on both credit cards (not to mention they had his wallet!!!!)
I'm not really sure what my question is, but I do know that my husband is now suffering from my reaction to this mess. He swears he NEVER would have even gone in if he knew I'd be mad, or at the very least would have gone in to look but wouldn't have received a lap dance. Big difference looking and getting a LP in my opinion. I want to move on, but it's just so hard (1) not knowing exactly what happened (he admits for sure his clothes never came off -- that much he remembers -- but I need to know if he touched her boobs but he said it's not allowed, but I'm not sure I believe that, although he may just not remember (2) why $1,800 in charges but maybe my husband's portion of the bill was just for 1-2 lap dances and the rest were for the client he was entertaining and (3) i cannot get the picture out of my head of this naked stripper all over him -- as if there was some kind of real affection going on there.
To jes above, talk to your BF before he goes and tell him how you feel. I never told my husband I minded lap dances, as I really didn't in the past, so he thought it was all a big joke. If he knows how you feel he will think twice about doing it. I do know when you get a bunch of guys together at a strip club there is pressure to get a LD, and that I fully understand. I guess in my husband's situation it was only him and another guy (albeit a client) so that pressure should not have been there, which makes it harder I guess.
Any words of wisdom????
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I'd be mostly concerned at the moment with the possible fraudulent charge. I dealt with my exhusband frequenting clubs every opportunity he got. He would only lie when confronted. If your husband truly respects you and values your feelings, now knowing how you feel, I'd simply do my best to move on. Surely he will be more cautious and thoughtful in the future. I struggled with numerous occasions like these and getting those thoughts out of my head were impossible.it would have helped tremendously to have an understanding husband. You said your husband is having to deal with your reaction, I think if he is at least somewhat sympathetic to your needs right now and truly understands the situation then you should work harder to get past it. I anticipate the pressure he'll have to purchase ld's this wknd. My hangups with talking too much about this to my bf is because he has given me no reason to not be trusted, I find it so hard to even put those restraints on him. I wish he'd just do it
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To jes
As for your predicament, let's say you decide not to say anything to your bf and you find out he did have a LD. Won't you be mad at yourself for not saying anything prior to him going? He probably thinks you're so cool and easy going that he didn't think you'd mind. I do understand your apprehension in talking to him.......you don't want to come on too strong, look weak, or show signs of jealousy when you have no reason to. Maybe you can bring it up in a joking/flirtatious way....."so, honey, are you going to get a lap dance?" Ask him if he's ever had one before, and if not you can show him/tell him what they're going to do. If and when the time comes, he won't be thinking about the stripper, he will be thinking about you. You can also warn him about the credit card scams that take place at strip clubs. Good luck!
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Glad to help. It's no good to meddle in it. Only hurting yourself isn't even true, even if Ya tried to hide the pain you were feeling, he knows it still bothers you, therefore keeping you both in the rut. As for my bf I think I will ask he not participate in any ld's. He has had them before with his buddies. I do not think he is a fanatic, but with proper persuasion..... It's a crucial time in the relationship. His friends are starting to resent me because he spends more time with me. I have to be the bigger person and tell him to go with them so I'm not hogging him. It's really hard to do so when I know this time it's a stripclub lol. The more I think about it though the better I feel. And thanx for the advice
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Glad to help. It's no good to meddle in it. Only hurting yourself isn't even true, even if Ya tried to hide the pain you were feeling, he knows it still bothers you, therefore keeping you both in the rut. As for my bf I think I will ask he not participate in any ld's. He has had them before with his buddies. I do not think he is a fanatic, but with proper persuasion..... It's a crucial time in the relationship. His friends are starting to resent me because he spends more time with me. I have to be the bigger person and tell him to go with them so I'm not hogging him. It's really hard to do so when I know this time it's a stripclub lol. The more I think about it though the better I feel. And thanx for the advice
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I thought I was over this but apparently I'm not!
Sigh
My problem is somewhat different, as my issues do not stem from his behavior since we met, but about 6 years prior to when we met... I've been dating my bf for almost a year, and I have never been able to let go of the story he told me when I asked him if he'd ever had a lap dance.... the answer was yes, several, but all from the same stripper. Shortly after his divorce was finalized 7 years ago, his brother took him to his first strip bar experience, and bought him a lap dance from a girl that's just my bf's type.... tattooed, pierced, and "cool", as he described her. The experience was so great for him, he kept going back on his own, several nights a week (every night she worked) and kept ordering lap dances, and got some freebies. He was falling for this girl, and met her at the coffe shop after her shift several times, and had succeeded in getting her number... He said it never amounted to anything, as she kept standing him up when they made dates, and he gave up. The whole thing transpired over a period of a few months he said, and he hasn't been to another strip club since.
He claimed they never had sex, she never took off her bottoms, and that he was never allowed to touch her, even told me he never got an erection.... sigh.... the more stories I read here, the more niave I think I've been. BUT, why should any of this matter, right? It happened way before he met me. Well my problem is simply my own insecurity... I'd like to treat him to a nice little strip tease or lap dance myself, but I can't get out of my head how her moves, her perfect body, her smell, must be imprinted on his brain any time he thinks of stripping. He's a desperate romantic, falls hard, and apparently easily... :/ .... I'm 34 and attractive, but my large boobs have definitely started succumbing to gravity.... she had perfectly sculpted fakies. I've told him of my desire to get them reduced and perked up, but he doesn't want me to. Anyways, how could I ever hope to compete with a professional, and what I imagine is probably the most erotic time of his life, feeling he was getting THAT close to being with this perfect fantasy.
I just can't get it out of my head, and he flips out every time I mention it. I just want to feel better, more reassured, but he won't give it to me anymore because he is tired of the subject.... I just want to be everything he could possibly desire... but I know it's unrealistic.... I'll never compare, and I guess it's up to me to be ok with that.
This was more a vent than anything, I know most ppl here have much bigger problems. Thanks for listening.
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Now women you need to understand this is where the double standard comes in, The Womens bars with male strippers has the same rules but the one thing i have noticed is when a girl goes there for her bridesmaid parties they do more than just get a tease i have seen personally more sexual counters there than a standard strip club (having to drag a buddy out of one after fighting with his Ex kinda shows more) also you find people with video cameras recording it all and posting it. The stuff that happens there is right when you walk in.. and the dancers make bank off of all the Tips.
Now I did not say it doesnt happen at a normal stripclub when it actually does if you fork over the Cash.
So for this topic's sake, if you have never been to either or have had a party at either then dont comment to the post since you clearly have no idea what actually goes on.
Sincerely,
K
EXOTIC DANCER FOR 8 YRS
EXOTIC DANCER 8 YRS
Sales Executive
Sales Exec
Since you seem to have some experience in the strip club scene may I ask you a few questions? Since I can't get this vision of this passionate scene with my husband and a beautiful, erotic dancer out of my head, perhaps you can bring me back to reality. Other than a naked woman doing heavy grinding on my husband, am I creating something that wasn't there? I know that sounds bad enough for a married man, but I'm not a total prude and do appreciate a fun night out at a strip club WITH my husband (if I was there watching it would be a love/hate thrill and excellent foreplay). It's just him being there without me and having no recollection of what happened and the money spent that leaves me wondering (although the bulk of the charges could have been his client in from out of town who spent hours in there -- we're still waiting for copies of credit card receipts). If I he could tell me exactly what happened he would -- we have that kind of relationship (he always tells me when he goes.....not more than 4 times total in our marriage of 23 years without me, and it's always with his guy and girl co-workers after their Christmas party!) Anyway, now you're making me think that this wasn't as much of a sexual thing but more of an ego boost. Is it possible this young hot woman made him feel young again? Is it common for the girls to do a lot of talking during a private LD? I'm certainly not complimenting him as much as he needs to be, on the other hand he is always going nuts over how I look :) When he told me he went to a "t*tty bar" he thought I'd laugh and never thought a LD would upset me. -- he never thought of it as "cheating" since it's in a strip club. I've searched and searched for one answer that I can't find. I know his crotch and shirt had makeup (or self tanner) on them, but it's the stuff on his hands and/or face that bothers me the most (which wiped off on his bath towel that night when he got home). He said no touching was allowed, but obviously the makeup got on his hands somehow. Could she have put his hands on her butt or her boobs while she was grinding or do you think her boobs were in his face so much that the makeup/tanner transferred to his face? I can't believe I'm even putting this stuff in writing. Also, is there a difference between a private LD and a VIP LD, or is one just more expensive and lasts longer???? Oh so many questions.......
Thanks Mr. Sales Executive :)
Sales Exec.
Yes, you kind of need to picture it like him, or even you for that matter having the opportunity to be with the types that you fantastzed about, high school heartthrobs, actors, just fantasies in general..here you are with them, alone, in a booth/room, they're telling you you look hot, your mind is euphoric...this has NOTHING to do with your partner..just an unfulfilled need never met.once again, I'm telling you from a pretty.decent looking guy that NOTHING beats going back home to something these women cannot /will not provide..passionate kissing, touching, playful fondling, it's notin the dancers DNA.
Oh, it might happen once at the start of the come on, but dancers find this boring because they need to be out working the floor for more lap's. Its a need never met, even if they have favors/intercourse in the V.I.P, yes my dear, sorry it does happen there.
As far ad the bronzer, I'll say 99% he touched..No guy sits there with his arms to his side..no guy...the guy would have 'blue balls', be frustrated, and zero tip..no returning customers..you get the point
I want to speak to you from what goes on in both guys heads.
..sex with strippers is a futile attempt at chasing fantasy..if you were to say to him 'look, I have fantasies too, but it's a bottomless well of unmet need, and we both know it'.
...you pretty much just nailed what he's been chasing futilly...then you can seal the deal by saying ' do they ever do this?'...then you french kiss him like teenagers briefly, wink, and walk away. You just sealed the deal ;) go get it woman, and repeat this randomly! Yup
UGH
PS - I'm a pretty decent looking girl......if you like the Cameron Diaz type :)
Sales Exec
Confident women are the best, lol
I haven't had a big bouncer type dude come running over, much less standing over me in years. A lot has to do with competition, massage parlors (another subject) and the economy. There are dancers who lost their secretary jobs, struggling singers/actors, etc..just a mess of amateurs in the game, and the clubs are all struggling against each other...I will repeat it again ever so kindly :) the bar has lowered and management is looking the other way, irregardless of your zip code. I will tell you somethiyyykyyng that will amaze and maybe sadden you, but it's going to get worse, and I value my health too much to get riskier with the risky. Pp
Miss Diaz
Sales Exec
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About Cheetah's
I think for a lot of you women to be happy you are going to have to accept male sexuality and you men are going to have to accept female emotion and attachment.
Is it always about the money?
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MY HUSBAND CHEATED ON ME W/ A STRIPPER!!!
UMMM, how wrong most of u are! about so many things!!!
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I understand the article he had not gone further than a lap dance
mellie
mellie
Thanks billy boy
My fiance slept with a stripper and didn't pay for anything
Your wrong
I only dance for men I find attractive. It is my goal to get as much $ as possible. I think the best way to get the most money is getting the customer to return. Over and over and over. Men tell me things like " I can't wait for another reason to see you " , " you make me happy" , or even that I complete them.
Of course, I don't always believe them , most one timers are pretty innocent, however every girl wants him to keep coming back. In my experience it only takes one good experience any place for customers to return. This is exactly what they say teasing, no kissing. I've had married men ask me to kiss them. I have actually wanted to kiss them, but I don't bend the rules.
The problem is that in order for my income to be at its peak I need regular customers and new customers and I need all of them to have a good experience in which I want them to return. In the past 5 years I have had maybe one out of ten regulars stay with their wife.
Is this just a statistic based on the increasing # of men who get divorced, or are We to blame? Men come in feeling down, feeling up, Whatever... But always Its best to tell him you find him physically attractive, which I always do. I just think that so many men start feeling more appreciated by me than their significant other. First its a game. It feels good to play the game. Then lust happens and its a dangerous thing to toil with.
I have attempted in the recent months just to meet men at random in the club and get as much $ all at once. I was making about 6000$/ month. Now I think I'm lucky to take home 2000$. Not obtaining regulars is just a poor business strategy.
Also most of my coworkers say the men make their own choices. Yes they do. After I ask them to come see me over and over. When they first come see me they think no chance with me at all When they leave they honestly feel that they can have any young girl. I can't help but feel guilty. I am to intelligent to pretend I am not doing anything wrong.
Unfortunately with my fabulous resume and work references I apparently have not aquired the skills to work at McDonald's or Ross dress for less. Or Anywhere but I'm Also starting to think that in my location it is partially my race and gender. So I guess its go big or go home! Watch out hubby. You are prey & I don't care.
don't kid yourselves
Lost
First as background, I have to let you know that I work a crazy number of hours, manage the house and kids, and try to take care of my elderly parents whom we moved to town; while he is going to law school almost three hours away. To save time commuting, he rents a room from one his single buddies out there. He'd come home a couple weekends a month, the other two were spent going to my parents' old place to check on their properties and business there. He got a few partial loans, but I'm paying for everything else. He's going to school cause he couldn't manage to keep a decent job. About 2-3 years ago,, when he was out of work (no job) I tried to tempt him to finish our taxes by making a deal - no sex til they're done - he didn't do them for a year. I clammed up.
Also, when business colleagues had taken him years ago to topless joints, he stated he was disgusted and promised me he would never go to one again.
I was already suspicious he was fooling around - in the past year he's lost weight, works out, bought new clothes (some paid for by another woman who is "just a friend". He tells me stories of hanging out at the bars with his friends, how promiscuous so many women are towards one of his buds, and how he gives his friend advice how to pick up ladies. He gives rides to other women, and cries when one of them is sad, and even admits that he "loves" her "as a friend". And then there was the time last May when he was different in bed - different mannerisms and technique, and for the first time had difficulty getting it up. I ask him if he had fooled around - he denied it.
We started getting closer. We went on a couple trips for weddings. After the last wedding, September 1, he tells me while we're in the car that he went to an all nude strip club last May and paid for a lap dance. He tells me that it didn't mean anything, that he wasn't turned on that he was disgusted with himself (good I think), He says he went there to take the son of a friend, as he needed a father (he shut up when I noted I didn't think this was being a good role model). He said he paid $20 for the other guy to get the dance, not himself (they both went into the lap dance room at Mac's Two) and that it only last a couple minutes. He says that she only spent 30 seconds on him before he told her to go to the other guy. He says she didn't touch him, just her hair glanced across his crotch. He says she didn't put her crotch or boobs in his face. He says he didn't touch (not allowed). He tried to make it like he had no choice - he didn't know what kind of club it was from the outside (really?), that he had to pay (he couldn't give his friend the $20 bill?).
Still a fool
I have several key gripes that make it difficult to ever trust him again:
- he broke a promise
- he lied and didn't tell me the truth for over four months
- he paid with my money
Sorry to those who this may offend - but I've always and still do consider all men who go to nude clubs to be scumbags. You either know you are exploiting women and don't care or you're ignorant. And don't try to say it's the oldest business of all time - have we not progressed or are we still cavemen? It is not harmless - although the women who dance are also to blame, they are also the victims. I used to consider it a mild form of prostitution - after reading what goes on in many if not most of the clubs I don't think I'd call that mild. And don't try to say it's not sex - yeah right Bill Clinton. There are degrees of sex as well as types. There's a lot more to sex than just intercourse. Caressing a breast in a sexual manner is a sexual act. Anyway, how can I bring myself to stay married to a man that did something only scumbags do?
The only person I've told is my closest sister-in-law. I figured since she lives far away, I wouldn't have to have it sneak into my life even more, and that she'd be supportive of us both. She called him a stupid scumbag too. She knows how supportive I've been of him.
Another part of my problem is that I had an old boyfriend that denied cheating on me for years - said all my friends were liars, that if I loved him I'd believe him...and then told me the truth years later. I know question how much of a bigger fool I'd be if I believed the same or a similar lie once again.
I'm an educated woman with a graduate degree. who's worked herself into a leadership position - yet I have not faith in my ability to know the basics. I want to believe him. He speaks genuinely. He tells me how much he loves me. But I can't trust him or myself. I've done research on lying, cheating, and strip clubs. Yes, he did look down when telling me initially, but other times, I think he's given me decent eye contact. But I don't know what to believe. And so I keep reaching out to try and find answers, but can't no matter how obsessed I've been. I've spent hours on the internet, hours talking with him, hours finding it difficult to think about anything else, hours and hours crying.
If I kick him out - I'll be completely on my own to take care of a house, the bills, my parents, the financial mess they've left on top of a job where everyone knows I do the work of two or three people. I've already been diagnosed with fatigue and have fallen several times this year. My adult son might handle the truth, but I could never tell my teenage daughter - she would hate me. If I told my parents it would devastate them (and they're already quite frail). 26 years down the drain, not to mention the debt we've gained with him being in school (100 K by the time we're done).
I used to pride myself on trying to turn every difficulty I faced into a challenge that could provide an opportunity to make me a better person. This one has been especially hard. Did I need two be humbled to feel no better than a prostitute? I have lost who I am, and unsure of what to believe.
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