- Posted by: Jeff in ComplicationsBachelor Party

5 Things Women Should Know When Their Guy Gets a Lap Dance

A female reader writes:

"I got married to a guy 4 months back. He had his bachelor party in May.  I came to know a month back that they had gone to a strip bar and he had a lap dance.

"When I asked him a day after his bachelors party, he said they just did bar hopping, didn't go to a strip bar.... but when his friend said that they went to strip bar, he confessed that they did, and that he got a lap dance.

"He did apologize to me that he lied, and did say sorry hundred times. On my insistence, he took me to a strip bar to see what it looks like. This issue was discussed before we started dating that he would never go to a strip bar.

"I raised this point, and he said that it was just a bachelor party thing and would never do it again.

"But the issue is: My trust in him is broken...I keep visualizing what that stripper might have done with him. I cant stop thinking. What am I suppose to do? Am I wrong anywhere?"

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First off, we're delighted by your use of the term "strip bar," and we hope that this construction gains popularity.  We'll start the campaign now.

For you--and any woman in this scenario--5 things you should know about a guy who got a lap dance in a strip bar:

1) Lap dances are (almost always) harmless.

For most guys, lap dances are a frustrating-as-hell experience. It's a tease, nothing more. With your industry-standard lap dance, even if you're single, there's zero chance of kissing the stripper, fooling around with the stripper, or sleeping with the stripper. ZERO. Yes, guys whoop and holler and fist-bump and act like asses, but the actual experience, more often that not, fails to satisfy. (To clarify: is it possible that some strippers will do much, much more for gobs of extra cash? Sure. But this goes well outside the scope of a traditional lap dance, and this is the extreme minority.) In my course as an, ah, "researcher" of these matters, I've received 50+ lap dances in my life. Number of lap dances where I kissed a stripper? Zero. Number of lap dances where I hooked up with the stripper? Zero. There's nothing--nothing--beyond a make-believe quickie dance.

2) Strippers care about his wad of cash, not his wad.

We can't blame you. When you close your eyes and visualize this nightmare scenario, you're imagining this sultry vixen staring at your man, hungrily, lustily, desiring him and arousing him. Nope. It's an act. The stripper has one mission: get paid. (And who can fault her?) So when she twirls on the pole, she scans the room for the best marks. She didn't find your husband hot. She didn't want him. She wasn't trying to seduce him or give you competition. If she saw him in the parking lot, she wouldn't even make eye contact. For her, this was business--the lap dance is the stripper's TPS report.

3) Fact: Right or wrong, for the bulk of mainstream bachelor parties, a lap dance is par for the course.

Regardless of the merits of the argument, this is most Dude Logic: at the movies, you buy popcorn; at football games, you get beers; at a bachelor party, you get a lap dance. It just is. In his mind, therefore, he wasn't breaking any sacred trust--he was following the mainstream. Now, granted, you had an understanding that you didn't like strip bars, but you said this issue was discussed "before [you] started dating," and could plausibly exclude bachelor parties. He was wrong. No question. But in terms of "degrees of wrongness," this is much, much, much more understandable than if he actually cheated on you. Which, by any conventional standard, he didn't.

4) It was wrong for him to lie. Hold him accountable.

Like most political scandals, the cover-up is worse than the crime. The lap dance itself, while ugly and unfortunate, is not, in our book, a federal offense. Lying about it? Tougher to defend. And the fact that he lied about it, frankly, undercuts his argument that "everybody's doing it!" Let's face it: if he really, reeeeaaaly thought you were cool with it, he would have told you. Fail. And it's a fair question to ask him... if he would lie about this, what else would he lie about? That said...

5) Put the lie--and the dance--in perspective.

The lie he told was the kind of lie an 8-year-old tells his parents about whether he finished his homework. He knows he should have finished his vocabulary quiz, but he doesn't think it's that big a deal, and he doesn't want to face the consequences. It's childish. But it's not criminal.

So. Let's summarize. He thought it wasn't that big a deal, but he still knew you'd be pissed, so he told what (in his mind) was a white lie. You have every reason to be irritated. You have the moral high ground. Here's the catch... you start to cede the moral high ground if you have a disproportionate reaction, if you explode, if you never ever let this go. He screwed up, sure. But he didn't do something SO UNBELIEVABLY AWFUL that warrants months and months of wrath.  Given his "hundreds" of apologies, he sounds appropriately contrite.

Talk to him about the importance of trust. Tell him that he let you down, that in the future, if anything like this ever happens again, you'd want to know the truth, and you'd want to hear it from him, not his drunken buddy.

And after that? Move on. Put this behind you. Exercise clemency. And enjoy your marriage.

Addendum: you went to a strip bar to "see what it was like," hoping that would make you feel better? Hmmmm...  That's a pretty good plan... if you also think that when you have indigestion, it makes sense to scarf down three helpings of refried beans, hoping to "see what it's like" and maybe that would make you feel better.

For more on this issue: Bachelor Party Ethics: How Far is Too Far?

 
 
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Comments (116)

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I'm in agreement with most of what you said, especially about keeping the whole incident in perspective and not using this lie to justify months or even year of 'punishment' for a relatively harmless event (the lap dance) and a lapse in judgement (lying about it). I think #2 misses the mark a bit. I'm a chick who has some hang ups about strip bars but my worries have nothing to do with the stripper's "feelings" or possible attraction to my guy. My concern is more with the "feelings" my dude would be having for the lovely lady. It seems inappropriate and inconsistent that a commited guy would willingly put himself in a position to be teased by another woman. It isn't about this chick trying to steal my man, or wanting my man...this is about my man wanting another woman and allowing her to flaunt her womanly goodies in very close proximity to him. It's a matter of respect and it sounds pretty weak to tell your girlfriend, fiance, or wife that you chose to disregard her feelings about the matter and engage in a boys' club practice that is admittedly "frustrating as hell" and "fails to satisfy"...so something that means nothing trumps someONE that means everything (not really EVERYTHING, that just sounded good...but I think you get my point). Anyway, I just wanted to offer a woman's perspective.
KatieT, October 15, 2009
 

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I think this summed it up pretty well, but I agree with Katie. But I also think the reason I agree with Katie is I am a woman. Now if my fiance were to read this, he'd agree with the article. Not because i'm a whiny woman who just wants her way or that he is a chauvinistic pig. When it comes to strip clubs, men and women have very different perspectives, it's one of those things women and men have a hard time seeing eye-to-eye with.
Zed, October 19, 2009
 

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Its funny, being a girl, that I totally agree with everything the article said. It's the lie that would bother me, not the lap dance. I think getting worked up over whet 'he may be feeling' is kinda silly. After all, guys (and girls) can have harmless crushes on people, even while totally committed to someone. Its harmless. But that's just me...
Cayla, October 20, 2009
 

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Cayla,
I agree that people in committed relationships can have harmless crushes. Just last week my fiance and I were talking about different people we've had crushes on in the many years we have been together. But don't you think wiggly nakedidity crosses the 'harmless' line? Maybe that's the point...we all draw our lines in the sand in different places. I think ultimately it is the responsibility for all parties in a relationship to understand that they may not always see eye to eye and try to figure out how to navigate sensitive subjects in a way where everyone is satisfied (preferably before an incident arises and lies are told). But, shit, after several beers I too may succomb and decide that my Dad is right, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission...
KatieT, October 21, 2009
 

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OK, how about women interacting with male strippers. What goes on at a strip club frequented by men will NEVER compare to what goes on at a club for women. Ladies, how many of you would tell your husband you touched and fondled another man's penis?
MikeG, December 01, 2009
 

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Mike G---- Wow, maybe I'm a prude. Um, is that the norm? Ladies?
Jeff, December 01, 2009
 

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Double wow...and double standard! Why on earth would strip clubs with male strippers allow their employees to be fondled?? That's terrible! I've never been to any kind of strip club. I'm also fortunate enough to be such a compulsively honest personal and such a terrible lier that those two traits often keep me from doing things I ought nought be doing for the simple fact that I could in now successfully pull it off without my significant other knowing.
KatieT, December 02, 2009
 

Answering Jeff

OK, how about women interacting with male strippers. What goes on at a strip club frequented by men will NEVER compare to what goes on at a club for women. Ladies, how many of you would tell your husband you touched and fondled another man's penis?

Mike G---- Wow, maybe I'm a prude. Um, is that the norm? Ladies?


Ummm... No, that's not what happens at most of the 'ladies clubs' I know of. Mind you, it COULD happen, just like it could happen at a strip club, but the 'no touchie' rule still applies to girls with male strippers. And in my experience of both kinds of clubs, the bouncers in a male strip club are faster to enforce the no touch rule, scary as that may sound. :)

As for my thoughts on the original question, I'd be more upset about being lied to in the first place. Yes, it is the 'no mommy, I didn't take the cookie' variety, but it's a lie all the same. If I had asked my fiance to not go to a strip club, and he went anyway, I'd rather hear 'you don't want to know' than a lie. But in the end, yep, say you're upset, say why you're upset, and let it slide.
Midori, December 09, 2009
 

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I'm not sure where everyone is finding these upstanding strip clubs. I've been to one ladies night - yes, there is a lot more groping, licking etc, plus the 2 women i went with choose to go to the private room with strippers (they both paid strippers to have sex & oral with them). Ladies clubs definitely overlook some pretty serious laws.
Also, the article claims that strippers arent willing to blow, sleep with, etc the customers - you just didnt offer enough money. Over the years, I've had several friends who were strippers and everything has a price.
As far as the actual issue of the lapdance and the lie, the fact that you discussed it beforehand makes it pretty inexcusable. Regardless of the "male perspective" of strip clubs, he already knew her perspective. The lying only adds to it. Good luck getting over that hurdle - sounds like an awesome start to marriage!
PW, December 12, 2009
 

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For women who have issues with lapdances, I can pretty much promise you this article won't help at all whatsoever. I think most of us know the stripper didn't actually "want" our guy and we also know their main concern is the money. Duh. It's also not a trust issue, I think for most of us. I know if my boyfriend got a dance, that's where it would end. We are bothered by what DOES go down...another naked woman is grinding our guys and rubbing their breasts in their faces. Sometimes they wave their naked crotches literally an inch from their faces. I can't imagine being like "she almost rubbed her naked cooter in his face, but she only wanted his money, so it's fine." If the exchange of money and being in a "professional" environment is what makes lapdances acceptable, using that logic it SHOULD be okay to have sex with a hooker in a brothel (while in a committed relationship). Some girls are cool with lapdances, and that's fine. Everyone's boundaries are their own. I've tried to make myself be okay with them, but it never worked. While I'm cool with strippers in general, me and my guy definitely have a "no touching" policy when we don't go together.

Anyway, love your site! Just thought I'd add my two cents.
K, March 19, 2010
 

:D

Thanks! This article cheered me up before i had a chance to blow up.
coke, August 06, 2010
 

stripper comment

ok, a strip club is one thing but what about the private shows, or private bachelor parties?? It is my understanding that not only the groom to be but all of his friends (married or not) can have "favors" performed if they have enough cash! Why do men have to be such pigs?! How can a man justify being unfaithful to his wife to be, wife, or girlfriend? It's like men have their cake and want to eat it, too! Men say its because its tradition and their last night but really, is it? How many other bachelor parites will they attend after they are married? and if they have the cash they can certainly have the same treatment if not better..if you know what i mean...than the groom to be!
a, August 23, 2010
 

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sometimes i think it is just best to pretend that you are totally cool with what the guys are doing. this way you can ask questions and get more of an honest answer form a guy. you still probably won't get the entire truth because the guy doesn't want to hurt you. if the guy knows that you really don't like anything about strippers he is probably going to be more apt to lie about even going in the first place reather than having him atleast tell you the truth about where he went and wether or not he had a lap dance. Plus, I have found that by acting cool and not letting the guy know that strippers and bachelor parties bother me sooo much, that i am actually have more control over my emotions and get less angry than when i actaully get mad and tell a guy how i really feel. Guys will be guys no matter what us gals say or do..We just need to learn to play the game. i'd rather have my guy say, oh, my girl is cool...then, my girl would kick my a@% me if she knew i was doing this...because they will do it anyway!
a, August 23, 2010
 

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I don't know if I agree with the comment about just pretending to be cool with everything. I think that's a recipe for disaster, honestly. Men are not mindless idiots controlled entirely by their penises. They can have self control, and if he's in a serious relationship with someone he truly cares about and his happy with, he's going to want to avoid hurting her. I think it's important to be open about your boundaries while still being willing to compromise. I actually had to spend some time thinking about strippers when I first started dating my bf. I even imagined him in different scenarios to see how it would make me feel. I don't like controlling what he does, so I had to know for sure what I could and absolutely could not handle. That's compromise. Everyone's boundaries are going to be different. One girl may be totally against strippers while her friend may not care less if her guy got ten lap dances, but it's important to be upfront about the things that would REALLY hurt you. And if you can't come to any kind of compromise, then maybe you're just not cut out for each other.

It shouldn't be a game. Relationships are about communication, compromise, and trust.
K, August 23, 2010
 

Stripper

Ok so i am a dancer and have been for sometime now. I work in a club where they do private bachlor parties and champegne rooms and all kinds of stuff. The truth is it would cost alot more than you could ever imagine to get something more to happen. First off at the least it has to be worth our job. They have cameras all over the club and there is someone constantly watching them looking for the next prostitute to fire. Secondly it has to be worth possibly going to jail as there are constentaly undercover cops in the club looking for girls soliciting prostitution. In the several years i have worked at the strip club i have never i repeat never seen anything dirty go on in th bachlor room. and yes a few girls have been fired but thats because the substantial price was meet. Im talking 1k on a low end girl at the club.
neveah, September 18, 2010
 

In the same boat

I understand our predicament as I am going through the same thing myself but i will say this much not all men go into the backroom and with good reason. I have brokeup with my guy. We had a healthy sex life and very experimental. I am an easy going openminded person who would never stop anyone doing anything they really wanted. So i decided on that basis to let him do exactly what he wants now in his singledom. I gave al I had to our relationship including my loyalty. I feel if he can have a woman grinding into him and making him hard the equal is me grinding my ass into a stranger on a dance floor and getting wet. Which I am sure would have hurt him. Believe me I know guys who have gone and don't go in the back becuase of not wasting money on a futile fleeting experience or through being respectful of the fact they are in a realtionship they appreciate, Its hurtful and my heart is breaking as i would have swore he would never do this. I would rather be on m own than a nag so I have moved on
deoranta, October 22, 2010
 

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The lap Dance

We paint one face and disregard the other
Declaring ‘our life’ liberated compared to our mother.
We pluck and preen and act obscene
Taking it where it’s never been.
We disregard because of fashion
Denying the life giving muscle in favour of passion.

But in the end to please a man and maintain ones sanity
You learn to accept and embrace their fragile vanity?
deoranta, October 25, 2010
 

none

You're kidding yourself if you think strippers aren't prostitutes. Detroit is full of stripers who give hand jobs for $25, blow for $40. The better looking the girl, the higher the price, but in Detroit, at any strip club, you will find a girl who will have sex for pay.
Cat, October 25, 2010
 

The truth: lap dances

Here in California strippers in the most prestigious strip clubs will give you a hand job for No extra cash!! The sad reason I know this is my husband has gone many times and even was allowed to give the" hooker" OOPS I meant stripper ORAL SeX for Free!! Sad to say, touching EVERY part of their body is allowed. That's what keeps the men going back. NOOO I don't aprove it is definately Cheating!!!
momof4, December 23, 2010
 

NOT OK with this married woman~

My husband has been "cheating" with one particular stripper now for three years......three years too long......it's over in my book......And they've had dates, texting, sexting probably, and he has lied about his whereabouts many times, much to my dismay. He claims it was only "lap dances' but still it makes me vomit. It has violated all the trust in our marriage, and shows me he could care less about our 4 children or me, but only thinks about himself and his you know what. I am hurt, disgusted and disappointed at how cruel married men can be. Marriage is commitment, trust and faithfulness. if you desire this filth men, don't get married in the first place.

Trying to start a new life....
Leticia, January 05, 2011
 

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Momof4:

what did you do about this? Are you still married? Do you know this for a fact about strip clubs in California? How utterly gross.

Leticia, January 05, 2011
 
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Is it a big deal?

I have been married for 24 years and we have kids. I have just found out that for most of our married life my husband has been going to strip clubs, getting lap dances and also online chatting sex with women. He's even exchanged my pictures with them!! I have had no idea this was going on. I am scared of the way he has been able to keep this secret, and how it has gone on for so many years. I am an attractive woman, I'm in shape and dress in sexy stylish clothing. We have had lots of exciting sex. I can't see a reason for him to be doing this. We have 5 kids, a great family. The kids don't know what he's been doing, I never want them to know this about their father. I don't want our family to be split up.
My question is when do you decide enough is enough? Can I trust him when he says he won't do these things anymore, he has never thought about it from my perspective until now and that he will spend the rest of his life trying to make it up to me? I don't want to be the one people say "What a fool....how much more clear can it be?"
With the kids and family involved, i just don't know what to do, and if I am just making too big of a deal over it?
-Broken Hearted Mom
Broken Hearted Mom, January 21, 2011
 

Mmmmm I'm Curious

Okay, firstly in the beginning I thought it was a bit much (overkill) until I read all the blogs, especially broken hearted mom. However I do believe that it was in harmless fun and for a bachelor party it normally is, initially. The key is watching it closely enough to make sure it doesn't get to an extreme. The lie was the problem here.


By the way... where can I find bars for women (MIA) ? Shoots if men can get off when they feel the need, why cant we?
Curious, February 25, 2011
 

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Yes they get thr guys number call and beg them to come in. One stripper or whore went on dates with my husband. While I was working two jobs and he use our christmas money on blow jobs!
hurt wife , March 04, 2011
 

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Delilhas den in philly is the worst blow jobs and hand jobs and girls calling my husband all the time! Ladies I have phone records if you want to compare numbers your husbands may have
hurt wife , March 04, 2011
 

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broken hearted mom I feel for you I have two girls and just found out for the last five months my husband has been going to these clubs and meeting these whores outside of the clubs! I feel the pain you are going through! Do you live near philly?
hurt wife , March 04, 2011
 

not sure what to do anymore

it's my day off work today and instead of writing an essay I find myself with puffy red eyes on the interent googling why men go to strip clubs. I have been with my fiance for over five years, it was about 3 years ago I found out that when he goes away with his brother (once or twice a year) they visit strip clubs!!! I found out through a credit card bill which was used in Prague at an exotic club for a meal and drinks costing £120 I questioned him about it and he denied it at first but then he confessed said he felt pressured by his brother and it was just a laugh but there was over £800 spent in just a few days!!!! I trusted him that it wouldnt go further than just drinks there but my imagination tends to run wild on this one and the fact that he can and has lied to me before and about this makes me think how can I believe anything he ever says!!! In my heart I dont think he would sleep with a prostitute. Anyway we go engaged last year and have been happily planning our wedding but I am already panicking about upcoming holidays he may have with his brother and the stag do!!!! So I confront him about these concerns he goes mad!!! that he will not allow his wife to control what he can and cant do!!! I dont want to control him I just hate the fact that he goes to these places!!!! it makes me feel insecure as a woman, that I am not enough for him , the meer thought of him getting turned on by another female kills me!!! If I am honest it makes me feel insecure, what hurts the most is he is not budging on this one says he cant guarantee it wont happen again that its just him and his brother having a few drinks and a laugh. I just dont know if I can be with someone that enjoys going to these types of places!!!!! I feel like im living with someone who I dont really know!!! I either put up with the fact that yes he may keep doing this, we may be married with a few children and he will still continue with this I dont know what to do!!!!???!!!! I dont want to be with anyone else I love him but also hate what he does and the lies!!!!


tinks , March 07, 2011
 

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...just for the record, I was desperate for money. I was abused as a child, and ran away, and joined a carnival. It was NOT SAFE FOR A 17 YR OLD TO TRAVEL ALONE. I hitch hiked from there in Georgia to Florida, where all of my belongings were stolen where I had hid them on the beach. I needed shelter and food, and money and had no where to turn.

I drank to numb the pain from being treated like a piece of meat. I felt like no man was interested in ME. The alcohol turned into pills and coke from "being in the industry" WHICH BY THE WAY I DID WHILE AT WORK in the bathroom. They only numbed the pain temporarily. I got “used to” having money come easy, and soon started to DEPEND on easy money. I stayed at hotels on the beach where rent and buying expensive lingerie that I NEEDED for work outfits, and EXPENSIVE bikinis to tan for work caused me to be a slave to stripping.
Then I needed money to get out of hotels and into an apt, and needed a car, and MET A CLIENT AFTER WORK and took money for sex. He paid me $300. The whole time I was numb and just tuned it out while I was used. This was 15 yrs ago.
STRIPPERS LEARN to manipulate the opposite sex for money and THINGS. I was taken shopping, and I was provided a penthouse apt from a NICE older client who was lonely for company, BUT I never had sex with him, although I know he wanted to. He came in to town for work on ocassion, and was NOT married. MANY MARRIED MEN FREQUENTLY go to strip clubs. I KNOW this by experience.

I drank to numb the pain from being treated like a piece of meat. I felt like no man was interested in ME. The alcohol turned into pills and coke from "being in the industry" WHICH BY THE WAY I DID WHILE AT WORK in the bathroom.

THERE is SO MUCH competition in a strip club. The MORE you show the MORE table dances and lap dances you get. The dancers get commission for drinks and spill them on the carpet, in plants and ice glasses to get rid of them to order more. THIS HAPPENS IN ALL CLUBS.

SOME women have REGULARS. Some women give out there number to prostitute, and some EVEN ARE INTERESTED in YOUR boyfriend OR HUSBAND. AFFAIRS DO HAPPEN. I met Two of my x boyfriends in a strip club where I worked. Do you think that strippers are NEVER attracted to guys they dance for? It ONLY makes it easier. Don't be naieve.

Fot the 6 yrs I stripped I emotionally was damaging myself when I thought I was ok, but comfortably numb. It doesn't work that way. I NEEDED to be appreciated for ME, NOT my body. I was WORTH so much more. I started to lose faith and hope in men. I would have been gay, BUT NEVER crossed that line, cause I KNEW I may NOT come back due to all the pain men caused me.
I got out of it finally, and met a guy one day at a phone booth who was answering a ERcall on his BEEP from his BOSS. He was a bottom boat cleaner(diver) . His BOSS was a Christian. They paid me to pour gas into a generator for 3 days, and neither guy made sexual comments or hit on me.

The story goes on, and I became a Christian. NOT a religious one, BUT one who has a RELATIONSHIP with GOD/Jesus/Holy Spirit. Yes I’m saved, but NOT a fanatic…and GOD DOES speak to people. You have to LEARN to listen and hear his small still voice. Ask and HE WILL reveal himself to you.
My life is FAR from perfect now. After 2 marriages to men who were prideful, and each hurt me deeply through lies and deceit, I met a guy who treats me PRECIOUS. We do have our arguments, and are both in need of counseling, and DELIVERANCE of emotional AND spiritual problems. My bf is HIGHLY visual and thinks watching girls and porn is NOT harmful. Although I am visual too, I HAVE LEARNED to “bounce” my eyes AWAY from temptation.

I AM NOT alright. I’m broken inside. I have been DAMAGED from stripping, and I have MAJOR TRUST ISSUES with my bf. When he sees HOT women dressed in provacative clothes while we are out together, or sees sexually oriented scenes while we watch movies or tv, I SHUT MY SLEF OFF FROM HIM. I can not let him hug, me hold my hand or touch me. I feel VIOLATED. It wares off after several hours, but we live in South Florida, and MANY girls walk around here dressed this way, and EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL on tv is a woman flaunting herself, as well in movies –sex sells.





x stripper, March 07, 2011
 

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Tink sorry to hear your story! I am going through the same pain! I am a teacher and finding it hard to even work or take care of my kids without crying each day! I cannot eat or sleep. I was shocked when I found out that these lap dances were more then just a dance. My husband was out of work and was spending my money on this...blow jobs hand jobs taking one of these dance girls to lunch and dinner daates with my money. Hurt is the only way to describe it! X stripper your messed up childhood should not be a reason for my family to fall apart!
hurt wife , March 07, 2011
 

Point #1 is dead wrong

"Lap dances are (almost always) harmless". Are you kidding? Clearly this article was not written in the Greater Toronto Area where - as a customer - I have had full blown intercourse and oral sex with a number of strippers during a lap dances in various VIP rooms. The sex was hot. Please stop misleading people about what does/does not go on at strip bars.

satisfied customer, March 17, 2011
 

Just to meet a friend for a drink....really?


My husband is in the Greater Toronto Area. I am living elsewhere due to a death in our family and business reasons. Without going into details, for the past year, we have been living separately while trying to maintain a 20+ year committed relationship (kids and all) He just confessed (after I asked because of a sickening gut feeling) that he went to a strip club once to meet his friend for a beer. I researched the club and apparently it is full nude with 'extras'. I love him deeply and we have a healthy sex life when we are together. I guess I am decent looking as he thinks I am, I'm not skinny but not over weight and I do get hit on regularly. I consider his attendance at a place like this as cheating and he knows how I feel. I am not a prude by any means but I treat him as I would like to be treated. I have never been jealous before but let me also add that my husband is hot and I was told by bar patrons (people I just met at his local watering hole) that women throw themselves at him regularly. I really didn't need to hear that and it was three times by three different, apparently, well meaning people that wanted to let me know that he did not reciprocate.
My feeling is that happily married men have no business in strip clubs.
Any thoughts?
tallulah, June 29, 2011
 

This really upsets me!

I didn't think how much it would upset me until my boyfriend was at a bachelor party and they had two strippers come to them..all the guys threw in money to have them come and do disgusting things....and then on top of that....for an extra $20 they could have a "private" lap dance....i don't really care that the girl is doing it for money and isn't interested in my BF....my heart and head remain heavy on this topic because he CHOSE to pay this extra money and go in this room all alone with this naked woman and let her strattle him and rub her naked disgusting body over my man....i think this was a lack of respect and pure dumbness on his part...and his response was (which was also a lie) "I didn't think you would be mad" UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Hello?!?!?! Of course I would....how about i go in a room where no one can see with a naked man...he would be LIVID!!....I think this is a lack of thinking and really feel like this is grounds for a breakup...why do I want to be with someone who would put so little thought into this action??
C, August 11, 2011
 

STRIPPERS SUCK

OH god could I make some comments. The jist, no its not cool for a man to have some naked whore humping him, be faithful and respect the body that you have, isnt that a huge point of a relationship...that you can enjoy each others bodies, not just anyones. Strippers take the special outta relationships! And for the stipper that says nothing goes on HA, thats BULL SHIT!!! My husband came home with hickeys from stippers one night. I went to a bachlor party at a different club and SAW the bachelor get blowed for $70. Shit happens.....most definately....thats why they go back for more. Its a shame that women are so desperate for cash that they would solicit their bodies to dirty old men perverts...instead of working hard and getting a real job using their brain. No wonder they are usually drug addicts and alcoholics....how could you go from nasty old man to man to man to man to man to man, youd have to be fucked up!!
STRIPPERS SUCK, August 16, 2011
 
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Sick

My husband and I have been married for 25 years and last week he had a "guys night" out with some business suppliers and our son. He called me the night he was out 3 times in a row to tell and he was extremely drunk to tell me that he was at a strip bar but he was sitting in the car with our son (who's 22 & married, HE stayed in the car because he didn't think it would be right to go in there). I asked him the next day if they had a good time, he said oh yeh real good, he didn't offer any information about where they had went what they had done, nothing. I had a "feeling" he wasn't telling me everything, and of course he wasn't. I found out that he had gotten TWO lap dances, and when I asked him if he touched or fondled her he said no and maintained that no until today. He finally confessed that he was touching her. I am absolutely SICK and SO ANGRY I can't stand it and I don't know how to move forward from this point. He knows and knew that I don't like strip clubs and I have never been myself just for the fact that I find it disgusting. I ecspecially find it disgusting that he was being turned on by some women that he paid for. I cannot even begin to know how to forgive him and move on.
Jane, August 29, 2011
 

no forgiveness

Jane, move on, thats what I'm doing. Why put up with that?!? Are you insecure feelings and money wise where you're stuck?? I thought I was also but I'm in a much better place to get on with my life and not held down by a bum and perv. Family or not, kids don't need to hear a guy and wife arguing about how he's a pig. They will find out soon enough whether you are there taking his crap still or not. Get out, believe me unless you are 300 pounds and very ugly, you will find love again. and better love!!
karen k from chicago, September 06, 2011
 

Trust issues...

I used to have major trust issues, I have been cheated on in a prior relationship, so when I started dating my husband I brought those issues into our relationship, like serious trust issues to the point where I hacked his email just to see If he was cheating, but I gotta say, any misery I had I brought on myself, not all men are pigs... But if you look for something long enough you will eventually find it.
I know my husband watches porn and talks about wanting to see strippers and has been to one lately, which is how I ended up on this site. I still feel a little insecure but in the end I know it's me my husband loves and brings home the real money too lol
But ladies if you can't accept it, then your better off alone, because the fact is most men do enjoy nights out like that and porn. A few nights out is ok, but if my husband made it a habit, it would be an issue, and believe me I would deal with it very quickly.
Like many things in life there is no right or wrong answer here, it's all about trust and how much you are willing to accept into your relationship.
Felissia, September 14, 2011
 

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Most of the above comments...especially from C. (Aug 11) really made me feel like I'm not alone. The original article made me laugh a bit and for a second my hurt and disgust lifted...for a second that is. I understand that to a lot of people strip bars are no big deal...I agree with that statement IF you are single. I 100% stand by my opinion that if you are in a relationship, married or not, you have no place being in a strip bar! (Unless you lucked out and your wife/gf is completely..and honestly ok with it)
I am not ok with it. I never have been and never will be. This all came to light because my boyfriend of 5 years attended a bachelor party at a strip bar a couple months ago. I felt sick to my stomach that he was going to be in an environment like that (ie the comments regarding the vagina's inches from the man's face...true. I've been to the same club he went to...when I was single and in college, and even then of course the girls are fully nude and fully in your face) I sucked it up and did my best to keep the 'it's a bachelor party, it's no big deal' mindset. The next day I asked him about it and he played it off really casually saying the weren't there long and they bought a few dances for the groom. End of story.
A couple months later I came accross some information that he along with some of the other guys in relationships had all taken part in private room lap dances. I cannot describe to you how hurt I was...not only hurt but disgusted by him. I couldn't sleep near him (I took the couch and gave him the couch the following day). We had blow-out fights that almost ended us. This may seem extreme but the thought of another woman grinding her ass on his penis and rubbing her boobs in his face made me literally sick to my stomach. Like a lot of guys it sounds, he apologized for not being forthcoming with the truth but never apologized for doing it because he felt he did nothing wrong "its just what guys do". We have since called truce because I realized I had no choice but to move on or break up with him. My trust was completely broken. The thought that he would make a decision like that knowing how I felt about him being there in the first place was just heartbreaking.
I'm tired of this 'pack mentality' guys have when they go out together...especially on bachelor nights. My boyfriend said he didnt buy himself a dance...someone else bought it for him lol. OF course they did...you all bought dances for each other thinking that would make it better. I cannot speak for all women of course, but I would NEVER do anything to make him feel like that (although I truly believe there isn't anything I could do that would compare). He says he wouldn't care if I went to a male stripclub. #1: I think that's bull, #2 I have no desire to do that and #3 yah, I'm sure...he'd probably use that as his excuse to go to another strip bar!
As I say, "we've" moved on (It is going to take me a long time to get over the thought). My concern is next summer's bachelor parties. I think I made it pretty clear in our fights and discussions that I am no longer ok with him going to strip bars at all. I have no idea what's to come as the two getting married next year were also two of the guys in relationships that got caught along with my boyfriend. It sounds like most of my girlfriends reacted in similar ways so perhaps we'll get lucky and they will choose to do something that doesn't include naked women. Am I allowed to say that if he goes to a strip bar, I am finished with this relationship?? I don't want someone who is more concerned with 'being one of the guys and going along with the pack' as opposed to being a man, someone I want to spend my life with. Is this wrong?
For the record...and to any guy who might be reading this. My boyfriend is very lucky...there is nothing I wouldn't do for him if you know what I mean, I'm just so torn up inside thinking about him in an intimate situation with another woman. I do not care that all she cares about it the money...I care that her business is touching his business.
Thanks for allowing me the rant. Therapy session :)
T., October 07, 2011
 

inside

It depends on the club, concerning stripper (dancer vs prostitute).
I've worked as a stripper and I have never had sex nor given bj's or any of that.
If that place it classy, they fire girls for even giving out their email and phone #.
The term "Strip Club" can mean anything from "Dance Club" to "Hooker Bar" and is fairly vague.
The girls who are gorgeous, and in theory, "competition" will in reality, be impossible, because they make enough money straight dancing and will land a job at a high-end classy club.

The raunchy places, like Detroit or South Side Chicago, will have ugly strippers, or poor clientele, and disregard laws so they need to do extra to make money.

I'll admit, I got drunk a handful of times, got a little sloppy, and let a guy kiss me, only to pull away, but I have never made out with anyone there nor have I ever had a sexual relationship with anyone from there, even if I hung out after work to talk to someone, for example a distraught client going through a divorce.
If a guy was single, and I liked him enough, I might date him from there after some coffee and breakfast and months of time. But after much caution, because the good classy clubs fire you if you are seen after work with anyone from the club.
Stripper's (that dancing ones) are very well informed on the in's and out's of a man's behavior, and lies. So really, it depends on the club.
The hookers, I mean, "strippers" that would do extra are probably ugly and of no competition to the lady in reality. The term stripper is inclusive of anyone from hooker to professional dancer.
It's a broad spectrum. This story sounds trivial and petty, but strip clubs are secretive so you can't blames someone for raising questions.
Aubrey, October 07, 2011
 

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Strippers aren't the reason marriages fall apart...they are just scapegoats for underlying issues and societal problems. But relationships, especially ones with children should be respected. The poor girl who told her story of her running away and having abusive family shouldn't be scapegoated for some people's disloyal husbands and bad marriages.
Aubrey, October 08, 2011
 

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That being said, hookers should not be scapegoated for people's relationship problems or any man's accountability of bad behavior.
Aubrey, October 08, 2011
 

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I disagree strippers's shouldn't be held accountable. The driver of the get away car is as responsible as the bank robber. We're not talking about a clerk who sells a fat man a candy bar, we're talking about whores who sell sex knowing full well they are ruining the lives of other women. If you take off your clothes for anybody who will give a dollar, you ARE a ho, there is no "classy" stripper. This is not a fantasy, this is a live act, where you do your best to take a man's money by allowing him to touch or be touched by you. It's not harmlees, it's not innocent, & it is most definitley ever classy.
CK, October 15, 2011
 

Great comments/suggest and sad experiences

Want to thank this forum for all the honest comments and great suggestions! I did wonder what woman really do in these places!

I'm a male and my wife of 16 years is going to see male strippers over "deer widow weekend" next weekend (but, I "can't afford" to go deer hunting last 2years tho). I have never been to a bar, let alone a strip club without my wife since I've been married. She's been to the bars 3 times for "girls night out". She's been to Wendover to gamble 2 times, while I have never gone without her since being married.

I don't have a problem when she goes with her married friends. I have told her that I didn't want her to go to the bar or wendover with her young, single friend. She goes anyway? Now she wants to go the the strip club with this single friend knowing I don't want her to go. (this freind is a very bad influence on my wife!)

I don't think she'll do any touching in the club, but get alcohol invilved and your just putting yourself in a bad situation where something may happen. The inconsideration and the disrespect of my
feeling are the worst part. How long do I let her do whatever she wants and disregaurd my wishes?

I like the suggestion someone here said - agree before hand to let the spouse go - if no agreement - no go - it's only common courtesy of your life's partner right?

I do not think guys should be going to strip clubs unless it's a 2-way street - come on guys, this is basic respect - right? I think many of you *should be* upset and/or at least come to an agreement before hand. If he can't/won't stop - leave him! I have 2 kids and am ready to leave my wife if she won't respect my wishes. I believe my kids will be better off in the long run.

I am not looking forward to dating again, but do not want to be lonely - been there done that!

Thanks for reading,
M

M_in_Utah, October 15, 2011
 

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I wound up on this site trying to figure out why straight women insist on going to strip clubs. Don't get me wrong, I like watching strippers but I feel it's totally inappropriate for a man in a relationship, so it creeps me out when women I'm with want to go to the strip club. WTF? Any ladies out there care to explain why I can't find a woman who disapproves of her boyfriend going to strippers? In my mind, if your woman is ok with you going to the strip club and getting lap dances she must be either gay or have no self-respect. If she isn't concerned about my loyalty how can I trust in hers? Seriously this is weighing heavily on my mind right now, answers would be appreciated.
Confused about chicks, October 21, 2011
 

Sad Bride

Like many posters above, I too am a woman having a hard time with the strip club thing.
When my husband and were engaged and discussing our bachelor/bachelorette parties, I just flat out said "no touching" and that I didn't want to hear about the night. That was it. Flash forward to 5 months before the bachelor party, he and his friends decided to take a trip to Vegas for their birthdays, which I was already feeling put out by seeing as it was not a mile stone birthday year and we were paying for the wedding ourselves, the money really could have been better used. While in Vegas they did go to a strip club.... and he got a lap dance, this information wasn't given until after he was back, and the lap dance wasn't confessed until my prying. I was ok-ish about him going to the club... but the lap dance, I was hurt..... especially since we had already discussed what we both were and were not ok with, and he decided to do it anyway, and not at his bachelor party.He did the same dumb guy moves of "oh i was drunk, i don't remember too much", "you said it was ok for my bachelor party" "my buddy bought it for me, and i bought his", "she sat on me, that wasn't me doing the touching" etc...I was so disappointed that he decided to turn us into that horrible cliche, it was so not like him to be this douche bag. What made it worse is the fact that he has almost zero sex drive (which is something we struggle with), but then goes and does that. It was a total slap in the face, made me feel terrible about myself that I wasn't enough for him, that maybe this wasn't the right man for me, etc...And please do not get me wrong, I am not some gross slob, I take care of myself and get hit on quite a bit, nor am I a prude or boring in the sack.
As selfish as this sounds, I was outright no longer ok with him going to a strip club for the bachelor party as my trust had already been betrayed that way (that and the fact that some of the guys were pushing for a trip to Mexico or a private party), I really did feel as if that was his bachelor party and it wouldn't be fair to me, especially considering our underlying issues.Our parties were on the same night, 2 weeks before the wedding, it was one of the worst night of my life. I was upset and doing my best to not think about it and trying to keep on a happy face. My party itself was just so pathetic, thrown together in less than a week and only because I had to remind my bridesmaids about it... people were stiffing their dinner bills at the restaurant... we had a gift table set up, and not one gift was given... even had to buy most of my own drinks all night. We just went around from bar to bar. While all this was going on, other girls were getting phone calls that some of their guys wanted to leave but they were "stuck" at the strip club... which I doubt. This wasn't really helping my out of sight out of mind approach. Not long after a few of the guys (who know my husband because of me) showed up at my party, which I wasn't too pleased with but tried to make the best out of it. One of them started talking about the strip club and the strippers in front of me, when I was already visibly upset. I asked him to stop while choking back tears, asked him to have some respect, more than once... he then acted indignant and angry...... it got ugly and escalated quickly. There was screaming and things being thrown..... my party was then over.At that point all I wanted/needed was to talk to my fiancee, who I couldn't get a hold of. Eventually I talked to him, he was drunk out of his mind and I couldn't understand anything he said. Hours went by and I was to upset to hang out in the hotel we had for the night and wanted to go home, which was only 5 minutes down the street.
My fiancee was home..... in the office...... at the desk.... naked.... with porn on the computer.... passed out while jacking off, junk in hand and everything. I made some smart ass note about it and and hung it around his neck with string, left him there and went to bed. He woke up not long after and WW3 ensued. So ugly and awful. I was, and still am disgusted with him. So hurt, and so disrespected. The whole mess was just so ugly it brought out all of our issues. I wanted out..... he begged and begged. I was so upset that I lost 8 pounds in a week, my couture wedding dress was falling off of me and had to be pinned to my bra. This has been and continues to be quite the scandal among our social circle. I cried and cried. Eventually I caved in and agreed to go forward.He offered up to never go to a stip club again, etc, etc... and I hate that. I hate that it's made me "that girl"... all because I stood up for myself. We have now been married for 8 months... and I am still hurt and still struggle with it. We have arguments regularly about this with screaming and crying. I hate this so much, he ruined everything, and I hope I will be proven wrong, but I have this sinking feeling it won't last that much longer.

M, October 23, 2011
 
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STRIP CLUBS

My girlfriend and me know our boundarys tonight im going to a strip club for the 1st time, since we have been together she has been a male strip party, she told me and ive told her about tonight. No secreats no lies to hide. As ALEXANDA would say sIMPLES. What happens after if she asks ill tell her.


Pine1285, October 29, 2011
 

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After I go in the club I mean after I leave im going to sleep lol
Pine1285, October 29, 2011
 

To Sad Bride

This made me sad to read all of this.

All and all the truth is important. I think you are completely overreacting. Guys goto strip clubs for batchlor parties. Some touching is always involved, thats just the way it is. This has been the tradition for a long long time. It's what all guys expect, and what they feel they should get before they make that final commitment for the rest of their life. It's supposed to be a day to just let out steam and the anxiety of getting married; which scares alot of guys in the first place. Nothing that bad realy goes on there. Guys don't compare their g/fs to strippers. Guys want to be with their g/f and the stripper is just there to blow off steam and have fun.

What really sucks is that your party wasn't very good. Your girlfriends owe you a new party or something.

By holding onto this and acting like your fiance did some horrible thing, you are ruining your own marriage. Let it go and keep it in perspective.

Spiderlilly, October 29, 2011
 

Women can be cruel

I read a comment that men are being cruel to their wives for paying for pleasure from a stripper. In my case I love my wife, but a number of years back after kids she lost almost all sexual desire. This equates to her agreeing to have sex with me maybe once every 6 weeks, and then it seems to be a chore. That is cruel to me. Being deprived of sexual release from my wife and tired of years of solo sex, I've come to a point I feel zero guilt for paying to play. I have no interest in an emotional relationship, I have that. But I do want physical contact.
Cpt John Doe, November 04, 2011
 
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The Culture of Ugly

I've noticed that ugly and/or overweight women are the ones who tend to look the other way and not make a peep when their men go to strip bars and drool over other women. In my opinion, it's a long-standing, "ugly woman" culture passed down with the generations. These women don't have options and probably had a hard time reelin' in the guy they've got, so they shut up and put up, and put down women that don't put up with this shit. If the guy I'm with can't stay away from these places, no problem... I'll bring in another one off the bench who CAN!
Kathy, November 14, 2011
 
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Home Management

Ok.... Ex-Stripper Here. " Lap Dances are almost always harmless".... Yea...For single men, Otherwise...WHAT A JOKE !!! Dont kid yourself ladies.... Your man should not be at a strip club. No matter how you cut it.... its a breach. Getting a lap dance is a sexual act. The majority of men are sexually aroused through visuals. Come on....Why do you think the Doctor office has girly mags and porn for them to use to leave a sample. So....You think its OK for your mate to get sexually aroused by another ?? Its not... Remember.... Forsaking All Others ???
Anyways.... I went to danceing after husband left me with house paynent and 2 kids. And for the record I was considered quite a catch, gave a awesom blow job and was trying to TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS at home but my man preferred to jack off to mags. At 36 years old I had never even been to a strip club. My man had laughed when I told him I could dress and tease like the mag girls so I went to work at strip club to rub laugh in his face. Only took a month to learn that the " better " the first dance was the more likely the guy would buy 2, 3, or more dances in a row, which equates to less working the floor . Even though this was AFTER the lap dancing ban in my state and all the " no touching " rules.....it was clear thats not what the men wanted nor how I would make any serious money. Lap Dances included my nipples teazing their faces and lips, and on occasion in their mouth. Most often ending with one leg up high and my goodies only inches from their face, and a few peek a boos here and there. And yea, they touch, or try. Often was clear the guy had a chubby. And ladies.... alot of places got alot more going on then that. Just read the reveiws left by the guys after you serch a strip club.... But, Yea, no real sex. LOL !!! I worked part time days for two years, at over a dozen clubs.....Some considered classy gentlemens clubs..... What a joke. Their all the same. Working days I mostly seen maried men. We drank together and talked about their lifes and wifes between dances. They mostly said they loved their wifes, but needed more stimulation. And no.... Their wives did not know where they were. Anyways.....That was 13 years ago. I know what goes on.....and theres no way I want my man in them and definately not getting dances. And for the men that tell their wifes they think its OK but wont go.... just the fact that they think its OK for them to hang out, drink and get dances with a half naked women is a red flag to their level of commitment and loyalty. Ive read a few blogs on this subject and surprised to find that their actually are alot of men who agree that its a no no. Thumbs up to them.... I want one. !!!! : )
And for the ladies that say its OK.... Man.... How sad to be in that relationship.
Curious to see how much of a thrashing and name calling Im gonna get for writing this one.....From all veiw points.
RebelRae, November 14, 2011
 

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I'm an exotic dancer. There are a lot of us who find the term "stripper" rather unsavory in case you were curious...

In any case, I have a strange point to make...take it or leave it. As a dancer, I spend hours and hours in a shift beating myself up. I have knee problems from a hard granite stage and a nasty back sprain from pole tricks. I don't want you to feel sorry for me, just understand that the job isn't easy. Like the article said, I'm just there to make money, just like anyone in any job. Ever. It doesn't make me a greedy, money-hungry ho bag.

I can guarantee to you that I am not remotely attracted to your boyfriend/fiancé/husband simply BECAUSE he's chosen to frequent the place I work. I may be a dancer, but the only benefits I have at work aside from getting paid are unlimited smoke breaks, having a beer or two on the clock, and not having to deal with the necessity of owning a gym membership. I have never been sexually excited at work, my job is to dance and act like I care (I sound jaded right?).

My boyfriend knows what I do for work, and I'm fine with him going out with his buddies, but if he got a lapdance from anyone, I'd probably have a conniption. I'm actually pretty reserved about my sexuality. Being naked isn't necessarily a sexual thing for me...looking at naked women is, more often than not, a sexual thing for men. It's my job to exploit that, but it doesn't mean that I respect a supposedly monogamous man who feels as though he needs to get lapdances to feel satisfied in life.

Your wife will give you tons and tons of sex if you treat her like a million bucks, all the time, no exceptions, no getting lazy. I know that's how I've always been. I'm no longer attracted to guys when they start to criticize unnecessarily and act "better" than me simply because of what I do for a living. That's an issue I've been dealing with lately, unfortunately. In fact, I have a college education and am working on putting a masters under my belt. I may be a dancer, but I'm intelligent and I'm certainly NOT some kind of dirty whore.

Sorry for all the points I'm trying to make, I just read the whole thread.
anonymous , November 16, 2011
 

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Thumbs Up to the post above. I feel the exact same way. Even if I had found a customer attractive, once knowing that he was in a committed relationship it would be on my mind the whole time I was with him what a dog he was. I cant get over then or now how theses men continue to justify seeking out the company of naked dancing woman, drinking , talking and getting arroused by them as acceptable in a commited relationship. Or like some above post that the man then goes home and makes his wife happy while fantasizing about the dancer. WTF..... Like that makes it better for us.
Im in the first real committed relationship since my divorce 13 years ago, and unfortunately theses issues have resurfaced again. My man says he wont go.....but that he dosent see the harm in it. I dont think he knows how much Ive been thinking about his statement.....But I really have, It weighs heavy on my heart. So, here I am trying to decide how much of a red flag Im gonna take that as.
RebelRae, November 17, 2011
 

Oh Really? #HEARTBROKEN / BREAKER

My man of about 2 years went to the strip club with friends (male and female friends, but excluding me). He only had three lap dances (so he says).

I broke up with him because i cldn't stand imagining other girls' naked boobs and vaginas 1 millimeter away from his body, or even touching his body. Just thinking about it hurts, it disgusts me, it makes it hard for me to breathe.

I think it's super hard for me to get over it because i was so in LOVE with him.
I am no longer in love with him, I still love him alot, i miss him dearly, we are still friends.

I kind of feel bad that he was HONEST with me but still got dumped...He almost made ME feel like the HEARTBREAKER. It just breaks my heart that i could never imagine myself being happy with him again. So it would be pointless to stay together then or get back together now. Once TRUST is broken, its hard to get it back. I wish i cld get over it because he means so much to me, but i can't seem to get over it.

We were just dating though. I really don't know what I wld do in your situation...out of rage I would probly still leave him. At least you juuust got married...there are men out there who honestly don't go to those places....just have to be skilled at fishing them out...
Oh Really?, November 22, 2011
 

To Sad Bride from another Sad Bride

Hi Sad Bride

Firstly, I am so, so sorry you had to go through what you have. Reading your story made me feel utterly bewildered as it is almost identical to my own story.

I never thought I would have reservations about strip clubs and lap dances, but my now husband had his bachelor's 2 nights before our wedding and had a lap dance.

We went ahead and got married, even though i felt CRUSHED and humiliated by the incident, not to mention furious and untrusting and betrayed.

I tried to get over it. I have read COUNTLESS blogs like this to try to put it behind me and i simply can't. What's worse is, while he apologised the day after, he seems completely nonplussed about it now, while it's tearing me up inside.

In addition, before he started dating me had a fling with a woman who happened to be a stripper. Now, how do you think that's supposed to make me feel?

I am a sexy woman, who tries very hard both with her appearance and in the bedroom, but in my heart I have major insecurities about my body and appearance as so many of us poor girls do.

I find this infidelity, which is to be honest how i view it, not as a slap in the face, but a tacit admission of disrespect for me, for my body, for our commitment to each other, for other women's bodies, for all the time and effort and money and JOY he sucked out of the wedding for me by doing this to me.

Quite frankly, Sad Bride, I want to punch him in his f%&*g smarmy cheating face. I do love him, but i am bitter and resentful of what he did. I actually have been having violent daydreams about smacking the groomsmen for not stopping it.

To compound things- on the bachelors morning we had had sex - really tender, intimate sex as the last time before we got married. But that clearly wasn't enough for him as he had to go and have some Easter Block girl's beaver in his face. It makes me SICK to my stomach.

Why do they do this, Sad Bride? I really wish i knew. I am trying so hard to forgive him and to get over this - im going to counselling tomorrow on my own to see if i can work through it with a professional.

If anyone ever tries to say to you, 'boys will be boys' - tell them you didn't marry a boy. You married what you hoped was a man. And most importantly - you and I are two smart young women, if it really didn't matter, why do we feel so hurt?

With love and respect and wishes for your heart to heal,
Sad Bride #2

Sympathy and empathy for Sad Brides everywhere, November 23, 2011
 

you're wrong

You're so wrong about lap dances being harmless. I've been in an affair with a stripper for months and she just recently laughed at me for not being realistic about lap dances. Lap dances in private rooms is frequently used as bait to get a man to pay for sex. If she finds him attractive enough for her to stomach, or she doesn't care in the first place, she'll do whatever it takes to make more money. They're whores, pure and simple.
Martino, November 26, 2011
 

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By the way, a man who's getting married should have zero desire to go to a strip club or get lap dances. That's immature and selfish. Take it from this long-term cheater, that is not the kind of start you want in your marriage with a guy. Even the lady who's a dancer understands that, as she so honestly explains the exploitation of our weaknesses and selfishness.
Martino, November 26, 2011
 

Why

Must women always think with their emotions and never consider logic? He knew you would bitch him out for going to the strip club and didn't want to hear you complain. I guarantee every guy out there who has gone or will go is going to do something very similar to avoid a headache. Simply classifying the lie as being childish is in of itself a childish notion. No man wants the extra bitchy headache that comes with feting up to doing something legal that has been forever demonized by women in general.
themanwihtheplan, November 30, 2011
 

scumbags

I have caught my man going several times to stripclubs and each time he says he is so sorry and makes me believe with all my heart that it is the last time. So I marry him and what do u know? He gos again just after our one yr anniversary. The idiot uses OUR atm card so I can see that he was there on the statement. Sorry girls buts its our own fault for putting up with his crap. He will never ever change no matter how hurt. We r. He will continue this cheating and go even further. We should of never married himm knowing he did this to us. Please leave those pigs he will never appreciate u.
johanna, December 03, 2011
 

Kyle

Ok girls, I've been going to strip clubs for over 30 years. Ny, NJ, NC, Fla. One year i went once or twice a week. But most years only 3 - 5 times a year. Now I hardly ever go at all...!'m 54. Never...not once, did a lap danced proposition me or give me more than a lap dance. Most of them talked about their life and boyfriends when I got close with them. It was "just a temporary job to them". And a temporary high for me. Sexual energy was stirred but no release in the encounter.

They all seemed to sense and like that I was your typical "nice guy". So nothing nasty ever happened...NEVER. So this is what i think. If the dancers can sense that I am a "nice guy" you should be able to sense that your boyfriend/husband is a "nice guy" also. If he is, let him have some playful fun. It helps him put life into perspective. All boys want to know what goes on behind closed doors, but all boys will not break the bond of trust they have established with the girl they love.

But if you know you have a "bad boy" then you are the fool for thinking he will not cheat on you. If you don't know if he is a "bad boy" then just ask your girlfriends. Many of them have that 6th sense that you seem to lack.

The other thing I think is important is communication and the boundaries that you both set. No communication, no boundaries then skys the limit...good or bad boy. We can't read your minds. No one ever gave us your rule book to study. All people are different! So get the important work done...talk.

I had a long time girlfriend(7 years) that let me go ANYWHERE! She taught me a lot about trust and freedom in a relationship. I never cheated on her but by some definitions here I did because of lap dances. She went to a strip club with me once and had a great time. It was no big deal. She was confident, secure and knew we were just having fun.

My next girlfriend (3 years) couldn't stand the thought of me touching or even looking at another woman. Giving a restaurant order to a cute waitress was tricky! Yet she gave me a blow job under the table at a restaurant once. She was no prude and shocked me at times! All people are different and can handle different levels of threat to their ego.

So find a man that fits your level. Be a little flexible, life changes people. But don't be a whiny fool. Find a man with whom you can enjoy what life throws at you. Strip clubs and cute waitresses are not going to disappear. And neither will the little boy inside your man. Enjoy what excites him but make sure you know what kind of boy you have. And set some "realistic" boundaries. The energy they bring back from a fun night out should be enjoyed. Whether it is from an "occasional" strip club or from a ball game with the boys.

One last thing, you are going to get hurt in relationships. The pain you go thru will make you stronger, smarter and more self reliant. You will then be able to enjoy life more, knowing, that IF you get hurt again by a man you trust, you will survive and move on. So allow your man to roam a little and you will really see what he is made of. It is worth the risk if you are strong enough to find out if you got a good man.
Kyle D, December 11, 2011
 

Um, really?

Most of the married friends I have who go to strip clubs simply go because their bored. They've had kids and have been married for a long time. Neither the wife or husband tries to impress much anymore. She's overweight and he's the same... She doesn't try to be sexy or do any of the things she did when they first got together. He's bored, and she likely is as well. She's extra sensitive and always thinks he's cheating, starting unnecessary arguments... This seems to be the trend amongst the majority of long-term marriages.

So who cares if he or she goes to a strip club. Everyone knows what it means to cross the line. A regular lap dance is a little turn on and that's it. If you're sensitive to that, you should probably get over it. Some men go and some don't. The clientele at these places is either young thuggish people, jocks, or older businessmen, especially lots of Asian businessmen.

Regardless of what many women may believe, and with no offense implied, men like to look at women naked, besides their wife. Men have a really annoying chemical called testosterone right? Kind of like that annoying chemical estrogen. It causes you to cry for no reason, extra-sensitive and emotional, even out of control at times. Well testosterone causes you to want to dry hump the air and fight random people. Some have more than others. It can actually be a curse at times. Strip clubs can be an outlet for some. For others, it leads to cheating which was inevitable.

So whether you like it or not, some men will go. Some will cheat, as will some women. Don't make your relationship contentious by being paranoid and constantly probing. Strip clubs are harmless and most of the girls are just trying to make money to pay their bills. (Oh, and go to college of course lol) The best relationships I've seen are the ones where they never take each other for granted. Still trying new things and doing the things they did when the met. e.g. Oral sex! If you stop caring and stop doing things like that, expect your man to be sad and bored, seeking a little attention elsewhere. Saying that men need to grow up is just dismissive and silly. Blame falls on both sides.
kieranrox, December 14, 2011
 

To Both Sad Brides from another Sad Bride

To both Sad Brides I would love to know if you have been able to "get over it" as everyone here suggests or if therapy helped you Sad Bride #2? I got married to a wonderfully, incredible man in May and we had to live apart for a few months due to our jobs. He came to visit me a month after we had been apart and I was using his phone to google something. In the search was "strip clubs in San Diego", this absolutely shocked me because he was an incredibly backwards man when it came to sexuality. He knew I was very open-minded and willing to try new things and I always started sex. I continued to look and there was an email account on his phone I wasn't familiar with and it was open. It had emails that he had registered for a hook-up website for girls in San Diego. My heart completely sank, the man who I had dated for years and just married was not the man I knew. I confronted him in the morning when he woke up and he first gave me the story that other guys talked him into going to the strip club and that he knew nothing about the hookup website. Then throughout the day it came out that he actually went to the strip club by himself and he even had to take a cab there because our cars had not yet shipped to his location.

When I confronted him, he just sat there like a deer in headlights, with no explanation whatsoever. I was so incredibly in love with him. I would've done anything in the world for this man. He had my complete and utterly loyalty. All this pain is compounded by the fact that he has some issues in the bedroom with sustaining an erection and very low sex drive. So what would drive him to go to strip club 2 weeks after marrying me? I'm 5'7, in shape, with 34d's and what others consider to be attractive. What else does he want? He says all he ever wants is me, and will never lie or betray me again. But with a 6 month separation once again in tow, all I can do is bare the pain in my chest and stomach.

If either of you ladies have had any success with therapy or some other method of restoring trust, please contact me (sadbride3@gmail.com).

Hoping you all have a Merry Christmas and cherish the time with your loved ones,

Sad Bride #3


Sad Bride #3, December 19, 2011
 

To Both Sad Brides from another Sad Bride

He had my complete and utter** loyalty.
Sad Bride #3, December 19, 2011
 

surgeon

Really...50 lap dances and not even a kiss.

Listen lady, if your husband is good looking there is a very good chance that he made out with or even had sex with a stripper. It is a lot easier to do than you might think. If he has money to blow, an even better chance. Or if he gave her some meth, those panties came right off.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just telling the truth.
thor, December 26, 2011
 

Responsibility

Hi! I feel so bad for those women or men that have been cheated on by irresponsible partners. At ghetto clubs, some strippers, eomen or men, can offer more, uhuumm, a happy ending.....but, ultimately, the responsibility and choice is to the customer, to proceed or reject. A responsible person knows what is worth doing and what is NOT worth loosing over 5-10 minutes of fun with some person that even might have some type of virus, or bacteria..... those at fault are not worth forgiving, desperate people do desperate things.

In the other hand I know of professional dancers/strippers. They are there to sell their dances. It's like acting. Some legitimate clubs even have strict rules, and the maximum touching, is a hand or shoulder. Visible pleasure is what they are paying for. So, to those guys that are just doing the once in a hile guys night out, goofing around ect.... there is NO action. His eyes probably got the most action, but honestly what have we not seen?? Everything is on the net now a days, so let it go. It is important to establish a fine line with our partners on what we are allowed to individually do without hurting the other, a relationship is a partnership!!!! :-) ;-)
Ruth, January 12, 2012
 

Sorry

Misspells, but I think you guys get it.. :-p
Ruth, January 12, 2012
 

SICK! And you are right!

My fiance is getting ready to go his best friends bachelor party and one day his own. I am freaking out about this. The thought makes me cringe and I DO NOT want him to look at naked girls and have them all over him.
I for one use to dance, sad but I did....long ago way before we were ever together! I followed the rules, but you still grind your body parts on the men to get what we want ($$) and they usually go for a few at a time. I never cared about the guy just the money. BUT what disturbs me the most is its YOUR GUY that cares. He is there to LUST over some other woman that is half naked and grinding all over him.
I'm sorry that is just wrong. So I have decided that if he goes and see and touches all THAT, I will go and strip for one night. He can feel the way I do, and I bet he will think twice!!!

Eye for an eye ladies.

Besides I think it's pretty pathetic that men have to go see that crap before they get married. Makes me want to never get married!
K, January 18, 2012
 

Open minds

I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer to any of the concerns brought up here. When you strip off (no pun intended) all the layers of sterotyping and pigeonholing, the only thing I personally can see as relevent is intent. What made that guy choose to get a lap dance and what was he hoping to get out of it? In terms of a bachelor party, a key motivational factor is self-preservation. Any man opting out of the traditional lap dance will quickly and ruthlessly become the object of his friend's ridicule, and he will have no choice but to accept his new, lower standing within the pack, so to speak...and rightfully so, as he will have demonstrated his lack of ability to assert his natural leadership role in his new relationship. Welcome to the beginning of the end of your life buddy!
Scotty, January 26, 2012
 

$1,000 in lap dances

I'm so annoyed right now. My husband went to Cheetahs in NYC with a client and spent over $1,000 (it showed up on our amex bill). He told me he went to the strip club before I saw the bill, which he didn't think I'd mind since we used to go to a local one together with friends just as a goof. I was pretty mad but then it got worse. When I pulled out the laundry I saw his shirt (including the part that gets tucked in), sleeves, and jeans were covered with bronzer....especially his crotch. I could smell the makeup. I was floored to say the least. This stripper must have been doing some heavy grinding and for a long time for so much to show up on his clothes. Then i saw his bath towel was orange from washing his hands. He was obviously doing a lot of touching....a lot!!! He said that's not allowed but clearly it was this time. I'm usually a pretty cool wife but I am so mad right now. To me this is cheating.....when someone else arouses you and you touch someone else's body like that, it's cheating. I am a girl who likes to have fun, party, and flirt like crazy but I would never consider doing something like that. I don't know how I am going to get over this. He says he's sorry and will do anything for me to forgive him but I am just too disgusted right now. Not to mention over $1,000 for two of them! By the way, I don't think he would have told me about the several lap dances if I didn't find his filthy disgusting clothes. The more I scream at him the more I learn how bad it was, although he still says that "it's just a lap dance!" I might need to have get a little "lap dance" on my own just so he can feel this anger and hurt i'm feeling. Anyone agree with me on this? And how do you explain $1,000+ charge?
Justine Wright, January 30, 2012
 

New Orleans will do anything for the right amount of cash

I go to new Orleans regularly on business. Out of the thirty girls I have propositioned only one turned me down. The money I have offered ranges from $200 to $1000. Most girls on Bourbon will take $400 to $600 to have sex with you. There are more girls that take money than those that do not. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, but what happens in NOLA can only happen in NOLA. I love NOLA.
Big boy, January 31, 2012
 

Cheetah's NYC

Does anyone know what a basic lap dance at Cheetah's in NYC costs? Are the men allowed to touch their boobs or is it up to the stripper?
J. Wright, February 01, 2012
 

STRIP CLUB REALITIES

First of all, my sister WORKS AT A STRIP CLUB. I hear all types of stories and first hand accounts from her. She's worked with girls who give guys lap dances and actually make the guys grab their boobs and feel them up during the dance. Sure this is not all lap dances, but depending on where the guy goes it's a possibility. If he were actually a guy who "isnt interested in strip clubs" well then he would BE at a strip club.

Dont fool yourself.
skyline22, February 01, 2012
 

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I'm coming out of a 10 year marriage that had slowly started to dissolve as quickly as it started. We married young and soon became parents. He was a cheater 3 months into and through out the marriage but only in the end I was given the full disclosure of his discrepancies. I had my fair share of moments of shame yet in comparison he far exceeded my slip ups. We were terrible for each other. Now I've got serious trust issues. I've become involved in a new relationship with someone I feel so lucky to have. Now I'm going to have to deal with the issue of him visiting a stripclub next weekend, because one of his friends wish to have her birthday there. I'm sure lots of his friends will go. do not want to bring my prior relationship struggles into this one, my bf is nothing at all like my ex, and I trust him in every aspect yet, I know it's going to open up my past. I want to be able to have him go and me be happy, but instead wvery insecurity I have is creeping up. Communication is key here and I should talk to him....but I don't want him to know that I'm really just a jealous emotional basketcase that's been ran over repeatedly by a sorry excuse for a man, that didn't respect me or any woman for that matter. That I'd rather him stay home with me so I don't have to deal with those feelings and worry if I'm going to even be able to look at his face for the next 3 days without thinking about boobs butts and vajayjays all up in his face. How do I say that without coming off a little nutty? Sorry for spelling and punctuation mistakes.
jes, February 07, 2012
 

Lap dances not as harmless in some places

I will not disclose the locations for obvious reasons but I've been to a few "strip bars" that you can get the full service and I mean the full service for as little as 200 bucks. I'm not talking about some ugly looking skanks either I'm talking about top quality you'd have to spend a lot more in order to date them type of girls.

I know most strip clubs around the country are probably harmless as far as not getting any kind of action, but don't think that's the case everywhere. I know there places that the girls keep their bottoms on (how PG is that!) I don't frequent these places much anymore but when I was single and wanted to get laid I knew the exact strip clubs to go to that I could get it in for between 200 - 300 bucks.
Randy XL, February 07, 2012
 

VIP Room

Refer to $1,000 in lap dances above for full story...(it actually turned out to be $1,800 with some duplicate charges on 2 separate credit cards, so I do believe my husband got over charged, but that's besides the point)

Ok, so assuming no extras went on....(i.e., hj, bj, or more), if two guys go to a strip club in nyc and spend $1,800 between the two of them, I'm assuming they're hanging out in the vip room where drinks and lap dances are typically more expensive ($100+ each per 1/2 hour or whatever) The guy with my husband stayed later than my husband and admitted to having 4-5 lap dances in the course of the night (one lap dance alone was $400), so that could rack up the charges pretty quickly I guess.

It's just frustrating not knowing what actually went on with my husband, as he was very drunk and can only remember bits and pieces. He said he had one lap dance, and then the guy (who puts thru charges) came in and asked him if he wanted more and he said yes....so I'd say that would be a total of two. He said the entire thing seemed like 10 minutes. He swears it was just a drunk lap dance....just a big tease....and I'm sure he doesn't even remember the stripper. I just can't get the picture out of my head of a naked girl grinding him and putting her boobs in his face. He is very trustworthy and loves me to death. Like I said previously, we've been to strip clubs together before, so he honestly didn't think I'd be mad for him going and getting a lap dance. In fact, he told me upfront he went to a strip club and I know he has been with his co-workes and buddies several times in our many years of marriage. He even had lap dances before, but maybe it was the bronzer on his clothes and hands that upsets me the most. It really was a non-issue before, in fact I used to find it a turn on :) On a side note, my husband looks like a boy scout.....he looks young and probably naive, very handsome and well dressed....put a few drinks in him and he's buying everyone at the bar a drink. Anyway.....I do believe that the person who was putting the charges through on my husband's cc may have overcharged him. After all, why wouldn't they? There's really no way of knowing how much you owe, especially when you're drunk. Unfortunately his drunken stupor and lapse of judgement prevented him from looking at the check before he signed it. He has requested copies of all the receipts, which they said they would provide, as we are disputing the charges since the same charges are on both credit cards (not to mention they had his wallet!!!!)

I'm not really sure what my question is, but I do know that my husband is now suffering from my reaction to this mess. He swears he NEVER would have even gone in if he knew I'd be mad, or at the very least would have gone in to look but wouldn't have received a lap dance. Big difference looking and getting a LP in my opinion. I want to move on, but it's just so hard (1) not knowing exactly what happened (he admits for sure his clothes never came off -- that much he remembers -- but I need to know if he touched her boobs but he said it's not allowed, but I'm not sure I believe that, although he may just not remember (2) why $1,800 in charges but maybe my husband's portion of the bill was just for 1-2 lap dances and the rest were for the client he was entertaining and (3) i cannot get the picture out of my head of this naked stripper all over him -- as if there was some kind of real affection going on there.

To jes above, talk to your BF before he goes and tell him how you feel. I never told my husband I minded lap dances, as I really didn't in the past, so he thought it was all a big joke. If he knows how you feel he will think twice about doing it. I do know when you get a bunch of guys together at a strip club there is pressure to get a LD, and that I fully understand. I guess in my husband's situation it was only him and another guy (albeit a client) so that pressure should not have been there, which makes it harder I guess.

Any words of wisdom????

J. Wright, February 07, 2012
 

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VIP room....
I'd be mostly concerned at the moment with the possible fraudulent charge. I dealt with my exhusband frequenting clubs every opportunity he got. He would only lie when confronted. If your husband truly respects you and values your feelings, now knowing how you feel, I'd simply do my best to move on. Surely he will be more cautious and thoughtful in the future. I struggled with numerous occasions like these and getting those thoughts out of my head were impossible.it would have helped tremendously to have an understanding husband. You said your husband is having to deal with your reaction, I think if he is at least somewhat sympathetic to your needs right now and truly understands the situation then you should work harder to get past it. I anticipate the pressure he'll have to purchase ld's this wknd. My hangups with talking too much about this to my bf is because he has given me no reason to not be trusted, I find it so hard to even put those restraints on him. I wish he'd just do it
jes, February 07, 2012
 

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I found regardless if I knew or didn't know the details I'd still find a way to intensify them in my head. Idk if that helps or not
jes, February 07, 2012
 

To jes

Thank you!!!!! You made me feel so much better. You're so right.....I am intensifying details (mostly imaginary) in my head. As much as he wants me to just forget this, he understands I need time. In the end I think this will make our marriage even stronger. As for the (fraudulent?) charges, that just adds fuel to the fire. I'm anxious to see what the club comes up with! I'm sure they'll say my husband signed a receipt, which means it's their word against my husband"s. What a shady business!!!!!!

As for your predicament, let's say you decide not to say anything to your bf and you find out he did have a LD. Won't you be mad at yourself for not saying anything prior to him going? He probably thinks you're so cool and easy going that he didn't think you'd mind. I do understand your apprehension in talking to him.......you don't want to come on too strong, look weak, or show signs of jealousy when you have no reason to. Maybe you can bring it up in a joking/flirtatious way....."so, honey, are you going to get a lap dance?" Ask him if he's ever had one before, and if not you can show him/tell him what they're going to do. If and when the time comes, he won't be thinking about the stripper, he will be thinking about you. You can also warn him about the credit card scams that take place at strip clubs. Good luck!
J. Wright, February 07, 2012
 

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J. Wright
Glad to help. It's no good to meddle in it. Only hurting yourself isn't even true, even if Ya tried to hide the pain you were feeling, he knows it still bothers you, therefore keeping you both in the rut. As for my bf I think I will ask he not participate in any ld's. He has had them before with his buddies. I do not think he is a fanatic, but with proper persuasion..... It's a crucial time in the relationship. His friends are starting to resent me because he spends more time with me. I have to be the bigger person and tell him to go with them so I'm not hogging him. It's really hard to do so when I know this time it's a stripclub lol. The more I think about it though the better I feel. And thanx for the advice
jes, February 08, 2012
 

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J. Wright
Glad to help. It's no good to meddle in it. Only hurting yourself isn't even true, even if Ya tried to hide the pain you were feeling, he knows it still bothers you, therefore keeping you both in the rut. As for my bf I think I will ask he not participate in any ld's. He has had them before with his buddies. I do not think he is a fanatic, but with proper persuasion..... It's a crucial time in the relationship. His friends are starting to resent me because he spends more time with me. I have to be the bigger person and tell him to go with them so I'm not hogging him. It's really hard to do so when I know this time it's a stripclub lol. The more I think about it though the better I feel. And thanx for the advice
jes, February 08, 2012
 

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Just found this video of a LD on google (just trying to torture myself even more!) There is NO WAY that this type of dance is acceptable for a married (or committed) man!!!! Is this what they're really like or is this one a little more sexual than the actual ones in a strip club? Do girls really touch themselves that much and get their vaginas right in the guys face???? Seems so unsanitary to me. Now I'm wondering if my husband"s face was orange from her boobs dancing in his face (hence the bronzer on his towel) or if it was just his hands from touching her ass. Forgive me if this isn't allowed.....you probably have to cut and paste to view.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/8/lapdance-part-3-555257
J. Wright, February 08, 2012
 

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Oh my. If that's the case and it's what most would done acceptable, in order for me to remain in any level or commitment, I'd need a prescription for some Xanax or something similar. This being my first serious relationship since my split, I'm not sure I want to dive right off the deep end of problem pool. All I can offer is the small benefit of doubt that maybe your dh was persuaded and was ignorant to what was going to happen. After many many drinks......I'd always look at the company my husband kept, his friends were always young and single. He was mostly happy with us, but when in a different crowd I was stunned at his behavior. This was a constant with us.... I'm really dreadful towards the weekend lol! As now he has asked me to go.
jes, February 08, 2012
 

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J Wright, I'm not the most experienced person when it comes to lap dances, but what's on that video looks pretty much like the type I've either seen or experienced myself. Some might be tamer, some more raunchy. As you can see, this place has a "no touch" rule, as many do. Whether that rule is enforced or not probably varies greatly from club to club.
Tascokid, February 08, 2012
 

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Seriously??????!!!! They really do all that touching of themselves and full boobs lobbing in the guy's face? Isn't that touching???? Ugh....and I'm quite sure my husband's place was a touching one! I'm tempted to send this to him at work so he can understand how I'm feeling.....do I dare? Maybe he'll say are you kidding that's nothing like what I got (he swears it was a no frills ld).

I thought I was over this but apparently I'm not!
J. Wright, February 08, 2012
 

Sigh

My god.... makes me feel my problem is so petty compared to many stories here.... I feel for all of you who deal with the awful feelings of insecurity and mistrust, many of them well-placed. To the girl who's husband spent $400 on a lapdance... I'm sorry but get real... that was more than a lap dance... why would one LD cost THAT much more than others on the same night in the same establishment?? I'm sorry....

My problem is somewhat different, as my issues do not stem from his behavior since we met, but about 6 years prior to when we met... I've been dating my bf for almost a year, and I have never been able to let go of the story he told me when I asked him if he'd ever had a lap dance.... the answer was yes, several, but all from the same stripper. Shortly after his divorce was finalized 7 years ago, his brother took him to his first strip bar experience, and bought him a lap dance from a girl that's just my bf's type.... tattooed, pierced, and "cool", as he described her. The experience was so great for him, he kept going back on his own, several nights a week (every night she worked) and kept ordering lap dances, and got some freebies. He was falling for this girl, and met her at the coffe shop after her shift several times, and had succeeded in getting her number... He said it never amounted to anything, as she kept standing him up when they made dates, and he gave up. The whole thing transpired over a period of a few months he said, and he hasn't been to another strip club since.

He claimed they never had sex, she never took off her bottoms, and that he was never allowed to touch her, even told me he never got an erection.... sigh.... the more stories I read here, the more niave I think I've been. BUT, why should any of this matter, right? It happened way before he met me. Well my problem is simply my own insecurity... I'd like to treat him to a nice little strip tease or lap dance myself, but I can't get out of my head how her moves, her perfect body, her smell, must be imprinted on his brain any time he thinks of stripping. He's a desperate romantic, falls hard, and apparently easily... :/ .... I'm 34 and attractive, but my large boobs have definitely started succumbing to gravity.... she had perfectly sculpted fakies. I've told him of my desire to get them reduced and perked up, but he doesn't want me to. Anyways, how could I ever hope to compete with a professional, and what I imagine is probably the most erotic time of his life, feeling he was getting THAT close to being with this perfect fantasy.

I just can't get it out of my head, and he flips out every time I mention it. I just want to feel better, more reassured, but he won't give it to me anymore because he is tired of the subject.... I just want to be everything he could possibly desire... but I know it's unrealistic.... I'll never compare, and I guess it's up to me to be ok with that.

This was more a vent than anything, I know most ppl here have much bigger problems. Thanks for listening.
Sigh, February 11, 2012
 

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Okay, Most of you need to get a grip on reality, i dont really care if you find this offensive but, when people are sitting there being sexist while the blog is being posted as an answer and non sexist way is really irritating. Now you women who live perfect little lives need to grow up. Their is a double standard, me and my Girl both agree there is. IF a man goes to a stripclub with his buddies sure they are gonna get a lap dance a few drinks etc. IF one of the buddies forks over the cash for more and for the VIP lounge well thats his business no one else.

Now women you need to understand this is where the double standard comes in, The Womens bars with male strippers has the same rules but the one thing i have noticed is when a girl goes there for her bridesmaid parties they do more than just get a tease i have seen personally more sexual counters there than a standard strip club (having to drag a buddy out of one after fighting with his Ex kinda shows more) also you find people with video cameras recording it all and posting it. The stuff that happens there is right when you walk in.. and the dancers make bank off of all the Tips.

Now I did not say it doesnt happen at a normal stripclub when it actually does if you fork over the Cash.

So for this topic's sake, if you have never been to either or have had a party at either then dont comment to the post since you clearly have no idea what actually goes on.

Sincerely,
K
K, February 11, 2012
 

EXOTIC DANCER FOR 8 YRS

I just want to say whoever wrote this is sadly mistaken.. iv danced at mannnyyy stripp clubs for 8 yrs and yes some females r jus motivated by money and dont actually want nething to do with the customers butttt there r PLENTY of dancers who r single and date guys they meet from the club.. especially the ones with moneyy or the attractive ones... and there r some strip clubs that will let the dancer fuck and suck in the privATE rooms as long as the club gets their cut...if your in a relationship with a man who goes to strip clubs yur best bet would be to just accept it and go with him.. cos in all reality your ,man might tell yu he wont go to a strip club again jus to tell yu wat you want to hear but believe me he still finds/makes the time to go..dont be so niave..
jiselle, February 16, 2012
 

EXOTIC DANCER 8 YRS

OoOo annnddd by the way if yur man is spending more than 25-30 bucks on a lap dance like maybe 400 dollars hes paying for a private room, and in private rooms touching is allowed what goes on in the private room is really to the dancers discretion and FYI the ,more money hes willing to spend the more she'll be willing to do. O and their are the dancers who will wait till after the club is closed and meet customers after to hook up..SOOO DONT BE FOOLED IM LETTING YOU KNO WHAT IT IS FIRST HAND.. im not trying to make neone feel bad but what iv learned in 8 yrs of dancing is that if your man is a regular in the club which most of you will never even know, hes a dog and hes probably cheating..alot of men leave work for their lunch break n go to the club..
jiselle, February 16, 2012
 

Sales Executive

Ok, first let me say I'm in the rare class of guys who go to strip clubs who is single, not dating committed, etc. I'm older 55, but feel 35, and that's what validates a lot of guys in the middle age group who still have their looks, but want the cheap thrills beyond women @ work, drama, time. When I was younger, and married with a child, no way in hell would that fit into my life going to strip clubs. Actually, I left my much younger wife for cheating onME while I was home waiting up late with a baby daughter. Guys who go to clubs that are married...can't relate dudes. Even Bachelor parties I was scared of private dances, fear of not being private, even before I got married! Once you get the attention from the women of past fantasies, they stroke your ego, they validate who you want to be, well Pandora's Box is opened, literally. What gets me is all the times I got Ph #s from pretty ladies, and the next day they were just a stored number I once again had to get the nerve to VALIDATE what that thrill was.literally chasing my tail...and 2 huge thing; dancers don't kiss...turnoff, but I get why...and even being single, using protection in private room? As hard as I was, the perceived danger, phony rehearsed sex play, well the old my tool was rendered useless. Women, reassure your man's perceived attractiveness, and NEVER stop the tenderness and kissing ...that doesn't happen in the club. I feel for ya...
Affection 1, February 21, 2012
 

Sales Exec

You sound like a nice guy :) And 55 is the new 35!

Since you seem to have some experience in the strip club scene may I ask you a few questions? Since I can't get this vision of this passionate scene with my husband and a beautiful, erotic dancer out of my head, perhaps you can bring me back to reality. Other than a naked woman doing heavy grinding on my husband, am I creating something that wasn't there? I know that sounds bad enough for a married man, but I'm not a total prude and do appreciate a fun night out at a strip club WITH my husband (if I was there watching it would be a love/hate thrill and excellent foreplay). It's just him being there without me and having no recollection of what happened and the money spent that leaves me wondering (although the bulk of the charges could have been his client in from out of town who spent hours in there -- we're still waiting for copies of credit card receipts). If I he could tell me exactly what happened he would -- we have that kind of relationship (he always tells me when he goes.....not more than 4 times total in our marriage of 23 years without me, and it's always with his guy and girl co-workers after their Christmas party!) Anyway, now you're making me think that this wasn't as much of a sexual thing but more of an ego boost. Is it possible this young hot woman made him feel young again? Is it common for the girls to do a lot of talking during a private LD? I'm certainly not complimenting him as much as he needs to be, on the other hand he is always going nuts over how I look :) When he told me he went to a "t*tty bar" he thought I'd laugh and never thought a LD would upset me. -- he never thought of it as "cheating" since it's in a strip club. I've searched and searched for one answer that I can't find. I know his crotch and shirt had makeup (or self tanner) on them, but it's the stuff on his hands and/or face that bothers me the most (which wiped off on his bath towel that night when he got home). He said no touching was allowed, but obviously the makeup got on his hands somehow. Could she have put his hands on her butt or her boobs while she was grinding or do you think her boobs were in his face so much that the makeup/tanner transferred to his face? I can't believe I'm even putting this stuff in writing. Also, is there a difference between a private LD and a VIP LD, or is one just more expensive and lasts longer???? Oh so many questions.......
Thanks Mr. Sales Executive :)
J. Wright, February 21, 2012
 

Sales Exec.

Ok, here's the deal without being all over the place..
Yes, you kind of need to picture it like him, or even you for that matter having the opportunity to be with the types that you fantastzed about, high school heartthrobs, actors, just fantasies in general..here you are with them, alone, in a booth/room, they're telling you you look hot, your mind is euphoric...this has NOTHING to do with your partner..just an unfulfilled need never met.once again, I'm telling you from a pretty.decent looking guy that NOTHING beats going back home to something these women cannot /will not provide..passionate kissing, touching, playful fondling, it's notin the dancers DNA.
Oh, it might happen once at the start of the come on, but dancers find this boring because they need to be out working the floor for more lap's. Its a need never met, even if they have favors/intercourse in the V.I.P, yes my dear, sorry it does happen there.

As far ad the bronzer, I'll say 99% he touched..No guy sits there with his arms to his side..no guy...the guy would have 'blue balls', be frustrated, and zero tip..no returning customers..you get the point

I want to speak to you from what goes on in both guys heads.
..sex with strippers is a futile attempt at chasing fantasy..if you were to say to him 'look, I have fantasies too, but it's a bottomless well of unmet need, and we both know it'.
...you pretty much just nailed what he's been chasing futilly...then you can seal the deal by saying ' do they ever do this?'...then you french kiss him like teenagers briefly, wink, and walk away. You just sealed the deal ;) go get it woman, and repeat this randomly! Yup

Affection 1, February 21, 2012
 

UGH

So you are saying the "no touch" rule is totally BS???? Does it depend on the city (I'm talking NYC if you haven't read my earlier posts)? My husband said there was a guy there eyeballing them the majority of the time. I find my husband almost too shy to have an affair that I find it hard to believe he'd have his hands all over another woman, unless she put them there. He's a boy scout.

PS - I'm a pretty decent looking girl......if you like the Cameron Diaz type :)

J. Wright, February 21, 2012
 

Sales Exec

Hi Miss Diaz :)
Confident women are the best, lol
I haven't had a big bouncer type dude come running over, much less standing over me in years. A lot has to do with competition, massage parlors (another subject) and the economy. There are dancers who lost their secretary jobs, struggling singers/actors, etc..just a mess of amateurs in the game, and the clubs are all struggling against each other...I will repeat it again ever so kindly :) the bar has lowered and management is looking the other way, irregardless of your zip code. I will tell you somethiyyykyyng that will amaze and maybe sadden you, but it's going to get worse, and I value my health too much to get riskier with the risky. Pp
Affection 1, February 21, 2012
 

Miss Diaz

I'm sure the competition if fierce. Ironically I heard that strip clubs are doing better than ever, perhaps because people are looking for an outlet from this crappy economy. Thanks for listening! I plan to go to the above mentioned strip club myself in the near future with some girlfriends just to get a feel (no pun intended). I do worry about the germs, health issues, etc., as I'm sure they're prevalent in all these clubs. I tried to scare my husband and suggested he get tested and go on an antibiotic (even though I'm sure there were no fluids exchanged). I just wanted to see his response. He thinks I'm nuts, but I love playing with his mind -- just a little torture/payback, ya know?

J. Wright, February 21, 2012
 

Sales Exec

Have fun! One last thing to pass on (damn these puns :)..he doesn't know me, so I'm safe protecting his wife Cameron...if he goes on a Monday night, when football isnt here yet, watch out!!! The desperate dancers are way too prone to do extras in private rooms @ no charge ...slowest night= desperate. girls trying to make money....just say'n.

Affection 1, February 21, 2012
 

...

Haha good looking and a sense of humor -- I like! (is this some form of cheating?) My husband does not plan to go back anytime soon. He knows better :)
J. Wright, February 21, 2012
 

About Cheetah's

Cheetah's use to have a bad or good reputation depending on how you look at it as a good place to get a BJ in the VIP. I think they cleaned it up recently though. Don'y any of you girls read any of the strip club review sites. Do a cross search for the strip club your guy goes to with terms like bbbj and blowjob.

I think for a lot of you women to be happy you are going to have to accept male sexuality and you men are going to have to accept female emotion and attachment.
mikesinner, February 28, 2012
 

Is it always about the money?

The other night i was at the strip bar. I probably got a dance from the prettiest girl there. For the first 5 mins she just sat on me talking just staring into my eyes....saying how cute i was. honest to god she said it about 6 times. the girl in booth next to us kept lookin at us and saying how cute we were. im barely 20...and i didnt come in wit wads of cash lol. i got a free dance. she gave me her phone saying she doesnt "know how to take off the cover" so i was like alright ill figure it out for u just come find me later.....i pretty sure she would have had me dance for her than her for me :)
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MY HUSBAND CHEATED ON ME W/ A STRIPPER!!!

Few months ago my husband told me that he cheated on me 5 years ago w/ a stripper right inside of a strip club, i was shocked couldn't believe that this person that i used to trust w/ all my heart and soul would do such thing!! back then(5yrs ago) after he got home from a night out after work w/ his co -workers he was smelling perfume so i asked where had him been he"paused" and told me that he went to a strip club, i got so angry at him knowing that we by that time had a brand new 4 months old baby boy so he promissed on our son that he would never go back in the strip club cus he didn't know that was a BIG deal for me. As i mentined above few months ago he told me about the cheating, the reason of the confetion was because i found out that he went again recently so i asked him what else was he hiden from me so he confessed that, we have 2 kids together he rarely used to go out, i believed that we were a "perfect couple", we hardly used to get in the orgument and we were very happy as a couple but now my trust is pretty much over, not mentioning that he is jeolous over me and always making me compliments how beautiful i look but still he bitrayed me.
Full time mom., March 07, 2012
 

UMMM, how wrong most of u are! about so many things!!!

Ok, i have quite a few issues with what I've been reading.. FIRST OFF, i am a single guy, and i go to strip clubs once a month or so... Let me clear something up, if u are in a relationship and u get a lapdance, that should be considered as cheating! Now i am from detroit so we got some pretty nasty strip clubs, however do to my career, i travel a lot and i cant say that lapdances change that much from town to town... First and foremost, in a lapdance, it is the strippers job to turn u on as much as she can, this ALWAYS includes rubbing and stroking ur cock as if she was fucking u or jerking u off, either with her crotch, or simply using her hand to jerk u off under ur pants.. Thats a NORMAL lapdance. In more extreme ones more happens.. I have eaten strippers out, fingered them, gotten blow jobs from them, and i have had full blown sex 3 times with a stripper in my 8 years of going to strip clubs. And i am ONLY talking about activities that take place when i am NOT PAYING EXTRA, this was ALL covered in my "20 bucks per song" lap dance fee, from BJ's to sex, NONE of it cost me extra... SECONDLY, for those of u who are saying that men will be men and will always lie, cheat and do horrible things, u are SO wrong. I am a guy, i am wealthy, i am in shape, i am attractive, and i am young (26.) And i have NEVER cheated on a girl, OR lied in a situation where i thought telling the truth might harm me. And to take this even further, i have been cheated on, lied to and fucked over by quite a few girls... In my oppinion, women are the liers, cheaters and heartbreakers today, and if ur REALLY some beautiful girl, who treats her man good who cant find a man who treats her right, i am tellin u that u need to get out more. So dont even start... LYING about a strip club or a lapdance is unacceptable. He should not have done it for the SOUL purpose that it was something that bothered u and if he is the type of person to go out and do that stuff anyways than u are married to the wrong guy, sorry... Dont justify getting treated like shit by men by saying "all men are like that" because thats not true... DONT FORGET, being comfortable and feeling secure is NOT the same thing as being happy, sometimes u gotta jump into the scary water in order to get where u wanna go. FUCK liars and cheaters, whether their men or women.. Why do u think im single and go to strip clubs, because at least there, theres no illusion about whats going on... THUMBS UP TO RELATIONSHIPS YAAAAYYYYY... Psh
billy boy detroit, April 06, 2012
 

please help!

What about naked lap dances? My boyfriend had one on his stag do and now I can't get the image out of my mind! How do I rectify this? He knows how I feel and we agreed to draw a line under it but I hate to keep bringing it up with him.... How do I forget and move on?
kirsty, April 24, 2012
 

www.stripdanmark.dk

some say he only lap dance you have to believe him, even correct some strip clubs offer sex, but all must believe in person.
I understand the article he had not gone further than a lap dance
mikael christiansen, May 03, 2012
 

mellie

Hey, im a girl, and I think if your fiancee had said no to a lap dance just becos u have a problem with it, then he would be the laughing stock of his mates who would then tell everybody else what a wussy he was. I also think ur some sort of prude if u think lap dances are cheating. Its not that ur man wanted this chick, did he pick her out of a lineup to do the dance? NO!! Did he actually ask for the dance? NO!!! if he then went out of his way to have sex with her after, by payin or otherwise, then its cheating. If not, then no, its not cheating. If u kiss another guy on new years eve, are u then cheating on ur boyfriend?? NO!!! Cheating constitutes havin sex with another, nothing else, and if I was a man or ur man, i would leave u for accusing me of such a thing, and then i would go get myself a real girl, like the lap dancer!!!!! LMAO
Mellie, May 06, 2012
 

mellie

By the way, lap dancers only do it for the money, we also do lap dances for anyone that pays, be it male or female. Your mans friends paid for him to have it as a last thing he can do as a single man, and even if he wanted sex with her, she would say no, cos its not business like or ethical. I know this, becos i am a lap dancer, and i am also in a committed relationship of 4 yrs and we have 2 kids. I have never ever cheated on my guy with anyone else. I give about 10 lap dances per nite, but i go home to my own man when i leave the club. None of the girls would dream of havin sex with the customers, they are dancers, not prostitutes!!!!!! And if ur man got turned on by it, then that girl is good at her job and deserves a pay rise, most guys dont get turned on at all, its just a joke they suffer at the hands of their mates. We dont actually care, as long as we get our money. But if he then went home and had brilliant wild sex with u, then dont u think it was worth it!!!! Send him again, so u can reap the benefits!!!!!
Mellie, May 06, 2012
 

Thanks billy boy

Just wanted to thank billy boy for keeping it real. I rather know the awful truth than thinking my husband is just having some "innocent fun." I must admit hearing that you ate out a hooker( cause thats pretty much what u said strippers are) made me gag. But who am I to judge. Whatever tickles your pickle. Anyway, thanks for the inside scoop.
Johanna, May 10, 2012
 

My fiance slept with a stripper and didn't pay for anything

My fiance went to a couple of strip clubs with his boss. He ended up taking a stripper home and having sex with her, not using protection, and had me over just two hours after she left and exposed me to any number of diseases. Thankfully, I was tested for everything and caught nothing. But he also had her spend the night in the bed he and I shared, with my robe hanging on the headboard. He hasn't cheated any other time, and he blames it on 'the alcohol'. We were supposedly committed, monogomous, and we are also in our late 30's. Mind you, he didn't have to pay for anything. So call them strippers, dancers, whores, or prostitutes- bottom line is they are just women with urges like everyone else. And less inhibitions. A stripper is just a girl, and attraction is attraction. So don't try to kid yourself ladies. You can't generalize on this one, because one stripper is not the same as the next stripper.
Respectable woman, July 24, 2012
 

Your wrong

I have been an adult entertainer for five years. This is the term I prefer. I do Call the club that I work in a strip club. Anyhow. I believe it is destructive in a relationship to allow Your man to lust for something outside of Your relationship.

I only dance for men I find attractive. It is my goal to get as much $ as possible. I think the best way to get the most money is getting the customer to return. Over and over and over. Men tell me things like " I can't wait for another reason to see you " , " you make me happy" , or even that I complete them.

Of course, I don't always believe them , most one timers are pretty innocent, however every girl wants him to keep coming back. In my experience it only takes one good experience any place for customers to return. This is exactly what they say teasing, no kissing. I've had married men ask me to kiss them. I have actually wanted to kiss them, but I don't bend the rules.

The problem is that in order for my income to be at its peak I need regular customers and new customers and I need all of them to have a good experience in which I want them to return. In the past 5 years I have had maybe one out of ten regulars stay with their wife.

Is this just a statistic based on the increasing # of men who get divorced, or are We to blame? Men come in feeling down, feeling up, Whatever... But always Its best to tell him you find him physically attractive, which I always do. I just think that so many men start feeling more appreciated by me than their significant other. First its a game. It feels good to play the game. Then lust happens and its a dangerous thing to toil with.

I have attempted in the recent months just to meet men at random in the club and get as much $ all at once. I was making about 6000$/ month. Now I think I'm lucky to take home 2000$. Not obtaining regulars is just a poor business strategy.

Also most of my coworkers say the men make their own choices. Yes they do. After I ask them to come see me over and over. When they first come see me they think no chance with me at all When they leave they honestly feel that they can have any young girl. I can't help but feel guilty. I am to intelligent to pretend I am not doing anything wrong.

Unfortunately with my fabulous resume and work references I apparently have not aquired the skills to work at McDonald's or Ross dress for less. Or Anywhere but I'm Also starting to think that in my location it is partially my race and gender. So I guess its go big or go home! Watch out hubby. You are prey & I don't care.
Crystal, July 30, 2012
 

don't kid yourselves

Ok, so my husband (the boyfriend) and I were together for two years. Apparently his friends felt he needed to "experience" other women. They took him to a strip club for his birthday, bought him a lap dance. The stripper showed him her snatch. The stripper was mutual friends with his buddy (and an old co-worker of my boyfriend's). They all went out to eat. My dude offered her a ride home. I found out from my friend. We were broken up for like three days when this happened. So I confront him...he swears on everyone's life nothing happened and that she in fact had a boyfriend so she didn't give him her number. Now...fast foward 15years later..married with kids and I find out he screwed her. Nice! I'm the fool! Now what! Were married, we have Christ in our lives. Two totally different people and this! Wow. Talk about trying to forgive all the times he swore I was the only one he ever slept with, all those times I asked again and again about that night. He dd it, now I have to forgive. I guess I'm not as good of a Christian as I professed to be. Anyhow, ladies..lap dances are form of sex. My husband is attractive and she always wanted him so there you go. She knew he had been arroused and drunk and she payed for the hotel room. Its not always business as usal. And my husband, then boyfriend, has aways been quiet guy. Talk about bringing crap into the marriage. Men, don't do it if you truly love your women. I know he was young and we were not quite in love then but it feels like it happened yesterday, it hurts and I feel like that choice to decide if I wanted him back was stolen from me! What can I do! I just have to forgive as I've been forgiven (which has been a battle) and heal from the shock of all those years he lied because he "didn't want to lose me".
LRJ, September 22, 2012
 

Lost

I used to feel confident in myself, my looks, my intelligence, and in the love of my husband. Now I'm a basket case - although I've experienced the death of two people in my life this month, I feel the greatest loss was gained with my husband finally telling me the truth,....or at least part of it. We've been married 26 years.

First as background, I have to let you know that I work a crazy number of hours, manage the house and kids, and try to take care of my elderly parents whom we moved to town; while he is going to law school almost three hours away. To save time commuting, he rents a room from one his single buddies out there. He'd come home a couple weekends a month, the other two were spent going to my parents' old place to check on their properties and business there. He got a few partial loans, but I'm paying for everything else. He's going to school cause he couldn't manage to keep a decent job. About 2-3 years ago,, when he was out of work (no job) I tried to tempt him to finish our taxes by making a deal - no sex til they're done - he didn't do them for a year. I clammed up.

Also, when business colleagues had taken him years ago to topless joints, he stated he was disgusted and promised me he would never go to one again.

I was already suspicious he was fooling around - in the past year he's lost weight, works out, bought new clothes (some paid for by another woman who is "just a friend". He tells me stories of hanging out at the bars with his friends, how promiscuous so many women are towards one of his buds, and how he gives his friend advice how to pick up ladies. He gives rides to other women, and cries when one of them is sad, and even admits that he "loves" her "as a friend". And then there was the time last May when he was different in bed - different mannerisms and technique, and for the first time had difficulty getting it up. I ask him if he had fooled around - he denied it.

We started getting closer. We went on a couple trips for weddings. After the last wedding, September 1, he tells me while we're in the car that he went to an all nude strip club last May and paid for a lap dance. He tells me that it didn't mean anything, that he wasn't turned on that he was disgusted with himself (good I think), He says he went there to take the son of a friend, as he needed a father (he shut up when I noted I didn't think this was being a good role model). He said he paid $20 for the other guy to get the dance, not himself (they both went into the lap dance room at Mac's Two) and that it only last a couple minutes. He says that she only spent 30 seconds on him before he told her to go to the other guy. He says she didn't touch him, just her hair glanced across his crotch. He says she didn't put her crotch or boobs in his face. He says he didn't touch (not allowed). He tried to make it like he had no choice - he didn't know what kind of club it was from the outside (really?), that he had to pay (he couldn't give his friend the $20 bill?).







Fool, September 26, 2012
 

Still a fool

I can't get the image of her dancing over and perhaps on him out of my head. I still get called a MILF, but I'm heavier than when we married and am now 51 (told I look like I'm in my 30s with genuine surprise). How can I compete now? I don't know if I'll ever be able to be naked in front of him again. I have longish blond hair that he used to love me tickling him with. I long to do all kinds of pleasurable things, but I can't get the image of hair on his crotch out of my head! UGH! It makes me sick to my stomach. The one good thing out of it is that I've lost weight already and now am more determined than ever to get my figure back. It's the healthiest revenge I can come up with.

I have several key gripes that make it difficult to ever trust him again:
- he broke a promise
- he lied and didn't tell me the truth for over four months
- he paid with my money

Sorry to those who this may offend - but I've always and still do consider all men who go to nude clubs to be scumbags. You either know you are exploiting women and don't care or you're ignorant. And don't try to say it's the oldest business of all time - have we not progressed or are we still cavemen? It is not harmless - although the women who dance are also to blame, they are also the victims. I used to consider it a mild form of prostitution - after reading what goes on in many if not most of the clubs I don't think I'd call that mild. And don't try to say it's not sex - yeah right Bill Clinton. There are degrees of sex as well as types. There's a lot more to sex than just intercourse. Caressing a breast in a sexual manner is a sexual act. Anyway, how can I bring myself to stay married to a man that did something only scumbags do?

The only person I've told is my closest sister-in-law. I figured since she lives far away, I wouldn't have to have it sneak into my life even more, and that she'd be supportive of us both. She called him a stupid scumbag too. She knows how supportive I've been of him.

Another part of my problem is that I had an old boyfriend that denied cheating on me for years - said all my friends were liars, that if I loved him I'd believe him...and then told me the truth years later. I know question how much of a bigger fool I'd be if I believed the same or a similar lie once again.

I'm an educated woman with a graduate degree. who's worked herself into a leadership position - yet I have not faith in my ability to know the basics. I want to believe him. He speaks genuinely. He tells me how much he loves me. But I can't trust him or myself. I've done research on lying, cheating, and strip clubs. Yes, he did look down when telling me initially, but other times, I think he's given me decent eye contact. But I don't know what to believe. And so I keep reaching out to try and find answers, but can't no matter how obsessed I've been. I've spent hours on the internet, hours talking with him, hours finding it difficult to think about anything else, hours and hours crying.

If I kick him out - I'll be completely on my own to take care of a house, the bills, my parents, the financial mess they've left on top of a job where everyone knows I do the work of two or three people. I've already been diagnosed with fatigue and have fallen several times this year. My adult son might handle the truth, but I could never tell my teenage daughter - she would hate me. If I told my parents it would devastate them (and they're already quite frail). 26 years down the drain, not to mention the debt we've gained with him being in school (100 K by the time we're done).

I used to pride myself on trying to turn every difficulty I faced into a challenge that could provide an opportunity to make me a better person. This one has been especially hard. Did I need two be humbled to feel no better than a prostitute? I have lost who I am, and unsure of what to believe.
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